I thought it was a major improvement over the first part. Usually BSG works in the opposite direction with the second half being a letdown. I almost would have prefered they had taken the midseason break after Rapture instead of The Eye of Jupiter.
I posted this on another forum, but I'm calling it right now that the second half of this season is going to be the best BSG since the first season. Predictions: -Much less cutting to the Cylon fleet. Baltar is back captured by the fleet. Caprica Six is aboard Galactica, D'Anna (and all her line) is boxed, and Boomer has turned completely to the Cylons and is in now way at all the woman we originally knew. There isn't any reason to show the Cylons now really. -Increased focus on the mystical aspects of the show. Starbuck is going to go through at lot of the same self-questioning that we used to see from Roslin, trying to figure out her place in the grand scheme of things. -More frequent attacks by the Cylons. Basically I expect them to just be more pissed off with the fleet and start fully trying their best to destroy it. Sure, if the opportunity comes to recapture Hera they would take it, but right now I think that they would be willing to sacrifice her if it meant finally getting rid of the Humans. -I have no idea where they are going to go with Caprica Six, but I damn well demand a scene where Baltar and Caprica Six are conversing from their cells, while Head-Six and Head-Baltar are shown simultaneously talking to them. -As for Baltar, I have been hit with minor spoilers but that is what would be expected anyway and I don't know how it turns out.
I'm struck by one thought. All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. And I thought of a couple possibilities. The humans build cylon slaves, the slaves revolt, eventually, the cylons wipe out humans, and then later find a way to make human slaves. The human slaves revolt, wipe out the cylons, and then later make them again.
The Cylon sentinels never made it to the temple. Baltar and the two Cylons came down separately--that's why you never see them with any sentinels.
So who could be the mystery recognised Cylon? A few guesses and pointers: A) It has to be a major character--D'anna knew the person. B) It can't be Roslyn, otherwise the baby's blood wouldn't have made a difference. C) It can't be Apollo, because we know he's Adama's son. D) It can't be Adama, because he's had children. E) Starbuck seems too obvious. F) It can't be Agathon, because the baby wouldn't have unusual properties. G) My money's on Tigh.
I'm a little confused on the Sharon/Boomer thing. Just a little. One's the good one and the other one is the one that tricked the guy on the planet into thinking she was the good one...? Crap. Yeah, I missed the first season.
I'm thinking the real cylon plan is with the final five. The idea of humans making cylons, cylons making humans, revolt and then destroying each other over and over sounds more plausible. It's all a cycle. The final five might have sent sleepers to the colonies a long time ago after the first cylon war, perhaps not to destroy humanity entirely--then the naughty seven models who weren't so peace loving sent in their own sleepers, and the final five never activated their sleepers. Cavil proves that a cylon model doesn't have to look really young. I don't know if cylon bodies age, per se since they're downloadable. You'd have to age somewhat to not be detected by humans. If a cylon body got too old, the cylon could download into the original model body, whether it be Cavil's age originally or Sharon's. More likely a variety of models in different genders, ages, and ethniticities would be logical to infiltrate different parts of society. If Cavil really was a cylon masquerading as a priest, an older model might make sense in order to garner more respect. A variety of models would be better able to inflitrate different parts of human society. D'Anna interviewed everyone at least once. She knows everyone, if only briefly. The only person in the cast that I believe is one hundred percent eliminated as a cylon would be someone whom other characters on the canvas would remember being a child, since the models are "produced" as adults. Ergo, the one character who absolutely cannot be a cylon is Lee Adama. Bill, and Tigh, remember him as a child. Bill and Tigh presumably remember each other as younger men. They've known each other for years. If either of them were made out to be a cylon, the show would have to cast a younger actor that strongly resembled either Edward James Olmos or Michael Hogan....or Mary McDonnell. I don't think it's them. My vote? The unknown cylon is either the Chief, Gaeta, or Dee, who had a falling out with her father before the attacks.....or so she remembers. She could be a deep sleeper who's downloaded for years without remembering. "Adama is a cylon," Leoben said. Dee is an Adama by marriage. If the cylons are so hot to create a hybrid with Kara that they'd take her ovary....perhaps a deep sleeper might fall in love with Lee Adama to keep him from getting Kara pregnant. It makes sense to me Or I could be 100 percent wrong.
Keep in mind that she interviewed quite a few people (presumably more than we saw onscreen) when she was shooting the Galactica documentary. That being said, her "apology" to one of "the five" sounds like it was someone she'd hurt or wronged in some way. "Sorry about that eye, Colonel..."
I don't see why not. The whole reason they were going to blow the temple was because the Sentinels overran their position. It doesn't make any that the Colonials could make it to the temple, Baltar, D'Anna and Cavil could make it to the temple, but the Sentinels couldn't.
Except we know Tigh was in the First Cylon War. And how the hell has Helo managed to keep from getting busted down to deck hand? This is the second major act of insubordination on his part. Plus this means either Sharon is no longer immune to the Cylon virus or the Cylons now have the antibodies to cure it.
Boomer is the original - the one who was the sleeper agent and who was in love with the Chief. She was killed after they found out she was a Cylon, got downloaded to a new body and is now with the Cylons. The Sharon (callsign Athena) currently on Galactica is indeed the one who tricked Helo into thinking she was the original, but she fell in love with him and helped him escape. To all intents and purposes, she's the "good one" since she's done far more to help Galactica even when she had no reason to. She's also the mother of the hybrid baby (with Helo).
You haven't seen the first season? Dear god woman, if you like BSG now without having seen it, you'll probably die of an overdose of awesome when you see the first season. Basically here's how it goes: Note I will use the common approach of referring to one version as Boomer, and the other as Sharon When the show started, Boomer was a pilot onboard Galactica engaged in a secret relationship with the Chief. When the Cylons attacked the colonies Helo and her were forced to make an emergency landing on Caprica. While there they were swarmed by a crowd of people who had survived the initial nuclear blasts and fit as many people into the Raptor as they safely could. They then saw Baltar in the crowd, and since he was a well known genius, and expert on artificial intelligence, Helo gave up his seat to get Baltar to Galactica where he could help. At the end of the miniseries it is revealed that there are many copies of each Cylon, and in a twist at the end we see copies of Boomer with a group of Cylons, revealing she is in fact one herself. We next saw Helo a few days later, on the run from Cylon Centurions on Caprica when he was approached by a six model. Sharon came and rescued him from the Six, saying that she had come back for him. (obviously a lie since we at the same time are seeing scenes of Boomer onboard Galactica). Through scenes where Sharon slips away to communicate with other Cylons, we learn that they are conducting an experiment, trying to get Helo to fall in love with Sharon. However at the same time she is falling in love with him and ends up breaking communication with the other Cylons in an attempt to get them both to safety. At the same time, Boomer in the fleet is experiencing a series of events that lead her to question her own existance. She has no knowledge of being a Cylon, being a sleeper agent programmed to believe she is human, but evidence gradually builds to convince her she is Cylon, including acts of treason against the fleet of which she has no memory, but knows she must have commited. On Caprica, Helo sees copies of Sharon and is close to killing her when she informs him she is pregnant with their child. Finally, in the season finale Boomer is part of a mission to destroy a Cylon baseship using a Raptor disguised using a Cylon transponder. They dock inside it to place a nuclear device, and Boomer is approached by a number of copies of herself. In shock, confronted with this evidence but still not being able to face facts, she stumbles into the Raptor and they return to Galactica, destroying the baseship as they leave. When Boomer returns to Galactica she is greeted as a hero, having just pulled off an amazing victory. Adama greets Boomer and extends his hand in gratitude. Boomer tells him thanks, pulls out her weapon, and shoots him in the chest. The last shot of the season is of Adama unconcious, bleeding to death as Boomer is restrained by guards. Season 2 starts with Boomer in custody, and Adama in a coma. Starbuck has returned to Caprica to retrieve an artifact, and while there meets up with Helo. She also discovers Sharon there, and is persuaded by Helo not to kill her on sight. They meet up with the resistance, led by Anders, and eventually Sharon retrieves a ship and herself, Helo and Starbuck leave Caprica and return to the fleet. Onboard Galactica, Boomer is in big trouble. Everyone now knows she is a Cylon, while she herself is still filled with the fake memories of a human life and loyalties. While being transferred to a different location Cally pulls out a weapon and shoots her. In her last moments alive Boomer tells Chief that she loves him, and then dies. Cally is sentenced to thirty days in the brig for unauthorised discharge of a firearm. Starbuck, Helo and Sharon return to the fleet and quite understandebly, Adama, who has just awoken from his coma, is more than a little pissed to see her. However Sharon helps the fleet track down a temple on Kobol, and takes the first step towards earning Adamas trust by establishing that she is different, since she knows what she is and has no hidden programming controlling her actions. For the rest of the season Sharon is kept in the brig, although over the course of the season a few events where she helps to attack the Cylons do more to help her earn Adamas trust. Eventually the baby is born, and Roslin secretly switches it with another womans dead child, not being able to bring herself to have it killed, but believing having the child in custody of a Cylon would be a grave mistake. In a late second season episode that takes place almost entirely from the Cylon perspective, we are shown the experiences of Boomer after she was shot onboard Galactica. After her death she is downloaded into a new body, and lives for several months on Caprica trying desperately to hold onto her old fake identity. So that's about it...Boomer (the woman who was going to kill the baby) is basically now driven insane, knowing she is a Cylon but still filled with the memories of her former life. Sharon (or as she is now called "Athena") is a copy who has known she is a Cylon since the moment she was born, and has instead made a conscious choice to side with the Humans because of her love for Helo. Does that about cover it?
Yeah, sounded like an apology to me too! Roslin is more suspect to me though since Bill Adama has know Tigh for years. Why couldn't the hybrid baby's blood help a Cylon (when Rozie was dying)? That being said, can Cylons get cancer? Maybe she remembers seeing Six and Baltar chatting on Caprica and not remembering all the details because she was supposed to according to the overall Cylon plan.
I don't like the way they've gone from "there are 12 models" to "there are 7 models and the uber-mysterious final 5, who even the Cylons don't know anything about." The fact that D'anna had to kill herself to get to the 'place' where the 5 are would indicate that Moore is going the 'Ship of Lights' route with the final 5, which is okay, but odd from the standpoint that it's the Cylons encountering them this time around instead of the colonials. And what about Cylon monotheism? We haven't heard much about it lately, and they've been more interested in the religious / 13th tribe artifacts that the colonials are finding than denouncing Colonial religion as heresy as they were the first couple seasons. Bottom line: Still a good show, but let's find some consistency, throw us a damn bone about the 'plan' or the identity of the final 5, and for the love of God, stop with the shipper bullshit!!!!
I'm not seeing your logic here. Can you lead me by the nose a little? I don't understand your point for some reason.
I agree it doesn't seem to make sense, but it's clear that the Sentinels weren't there. Perhaps the reason they decided to blow up the temple was not because the sentinels were going to get there first, but because they knew there were no more defensible positions left.
Why can't Baltar be one of the five? Deanna did torture the hell out of him, so when she sees him as one of the five, she ought damn well be apologetic.
Now, now, Cass...let's not be too hasty. After all, we wouldn't want to deprive Tigh of some entertainment. Lord knows ol' One Eye needs it these days.
The Cylons are only interested in the temple because they know it contains information that will help them find Earth. They don't care anything else about it. BUT, the fact that D'anna was able to "see" the final five from the temple posits some sort of deep connection between the Cylons and the thirteenth tribe, I think.
Baltar being one of the five would completely destroy his character. The main appeal of Baltar is that apart from being a crazy-ass genius, he is the everyman of the show. He isn't really evil so much as cowardly enough to be manipulated by everyone around him
The magic out for making Caprica!Sharon immune to the Cylon virus were the hybrid antibodies she developed during her pregnancy. If those antibodies were transmitted to the resurrection ship when Sharon died like the virus the Cylons now have a cure. If not and Sharon receives a standard body she's just lost her immunity to the disease.
Imho everyone who starts complaining about how BSG is apparently no good anymore should be forced to repeatedly watch this clip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dwuUgQUywSU until they thank the Gods for the goodness we receive each week.
I don't get all the BSG bashing. I think the show is still terrific. It keeps me interested: one of the few shows that does.
Mommy always said that there were no monsters, but they are. Also the guy with the huge hair looks like Robert Reed from the Brady Bunch.
Still unable to come up with anything to say about this episode. I mean, it was serviceable, certainly better than pretty much anything else on TV right now. I just wasn't in awe of it. Maybe I'm getting sick of these lengthy breaks in the middle of seasons. After a wait like that, it ought to cause a 60 minute orgasm.
Ok, I understand. Unfortunately this is a big case of "so what"? The disease doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't matter if anyone is immune to it or not.
