Nathan Fillion on Desperate Housewives

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Hey, I wonder if that's the "he" Kate had to get back to in the season finale...

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My biggest beef with Nathan Fillion is that he plays all of his characters exactly the same way, even if they're totally different. Just like that fucker, Bill Paxton. Not exactly the sign of a talented actor when one plays different roles the same way.

And is it a coincidence that of the last 12 TV shows Fillion has appeared in, 9 of them were canceled shortly after? Is there any other actor in TV that has a 75% rate of getting shows canceled?

What about his movies? One of the movies he starred had a net loss of around $15 million. Another movie he starred in had a loss of about $8 million. So he's lost movie studios roughly $23 million on just two movies alone (none of his other starring roles had any info available on their budgets, etc. but Waitress does seem to be doing well).

Lost also suffered a major ratings slump when he appeared on the show, but that was more due to the timeslot moving and the poor writing. He was barely in the show for 10 minutes, so one can hardly blame him.

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Well, the playing everyone the same way rap is

A. Incorrect - the character in the sitcom wasn't written or played as the morose sort of guy he played in Firefly and the guy in Drive was written all one deminsional obsession...though given the fact that it was a creation of one of Firefly's producers it stands to reason he was going for a character like Mal Reynolds - so your job as an actor is to give the producer the character he wants. the guest role on Lost was as a plesant, normal sort of guy with no angst at all, as was the Sheriff in slither (what of that god-awful movie I could stand to watch).

B. As much a factor of what the production team is looking for as the actor. IF minear hired Fillion based on what he saw up close in firefly, then there's a very good chance he's writing the character as the same type of guy - and again, an actor is supposed to give you what you as the producer wants. My understanding is the the role in The Waitress is completely different from the Mal Reynolds model though I won't know until it's on DVD. I do know that the clips I've seen from "Two Guys...." and the apperance on lost were not at all like the work on firefly and Drive.

Beyond that, what the fuck does it matter? Does David Carouso play Horatio and different than he played the character on NYPD Blue?

Nope.

Doesn't Fred Thompson play pretty much the same guy in every apperance?

Yup.

Even for a guy widely considered a great actor, how much difference is there in Harrison Ford's role as jack Ryan, and his other films like "Air force One" or "The fugitive"?

Not very damn much. And when he does depart from that mold, for Indy or in fluff like "7 Days" that's because of what? The way the characeter is written.



Again, either you are thinking very simplisticly or you are trolling.

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Sorry, but to me it feels like he plays the same character (from the work I've seen him do), and not a particularly entertaining character either. Of course, I've only seen him in Drive, Serenity, and Lost. But that's because I don't wanna see any of his other work (because I think he's a shitty actor).

I wouldn't know, as I don't watch those shows, and I've never actually seen David Caruso in anything before.

I wouldn't know that either, as I don't care for shitty crime dramas. It's pretty much a given that in a cop show, you play the same god damn character every time. You're either a cop, a suspect, or a victim.

I thought he played his characters differently in Air Force One and The Fugitive. But again, it's just my impression. Ford really isn't relative to the discussion about Nathan Fillion anyway.

I'm not trolling, I'm just expressing my opinion. I'm sorry that not everyone has a hard-on for Nathan Fillion like you do. That doesn't automatically make everyone who doesn't care for Fillion an idiot or a troll. Jesus.

Edit to add: the mark of a good actor is usually that they have a good range of the characters they play. Fillion has two characters he plays: sitcom guy and faux-Action Hero. If Fillion really wanted to be considered a good actor, he should try expanding his horizons a little more.

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Who is this guy anyway?

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Since they're both on the front page, may as well merge these, too...

You ruined my original title.

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Are you president of the Nathan Fillion fan club or something? You're way too serious about this.

It's a wisecrack. Nathan Fillion is the new Ted McGinley.

Waitress was really GOOD. And the way he played his char was way different from how he played Mal. So nyah.

I've never seen Fargo but I'm certain it's a shitty movie.

Make sense?

Neither does your remark.

Edited for full disclosure.

There's a difference in not being a huge fan and being stupid enough to say "he plays every character the same" after having seen him play TWO characters.

That sir, can ONLY be stupid or trolling.

Just on a purely logical basis.

now, if you want to say "in the little of his work I've seen, he plays both characters the same" then THAT is an opinion.

One which doesn't take into account the creative team shared by the two projects but at least a legitimate opinion based on what you, you know, actually KNOW.

Like in the Waitress?

If you want to be a good film critic you might try actually watching the shit you comment on. just sayin.

Christ Paladin, why did you merge these threads? Knock it off!

But see, that's not what I said. I said Nathan Fillion is a shitty actor from what I've seen (two movies and three TV shows). Thus, I don't want to see any more of his work based on previous shittitude. A more apt analogy would be if you had previously seen Fargo, thought it was shit, and then refused to see it again because you thought it was shitty.

Five characters actually. Two Guys and a Girl (I was young, so I didn't remember this one), Saving Private Ryan (this was his biggest acting challenge, and he just barely managed to not play the same damn character), Serenity ("Hey guys, I'm a quirky but troubled space pirate"), Drive ("Hey guys, I'm a quirky but troubled bank robber"), and Lost ("Hey guys, I'm a quirky cop. They didn't give me enough lines to come off as troubled because I suck monkey testicles, but at least I got to kiss Kate."). Of course, I didn't watch any of the other shows he was in because they were canceled and I'm not as obsessed of a fan as you are.

It hasn't ever played in my area AFAIK, and this thread is the first I've heard of it. Sorry for not rushing to the Sundance Film Festival to see the greatness that is Nathan Fillion, the guy who starred in the sequel to White Noise.

First thing I ever saw Fillion in was Buffy, and I thought he was good in that.

He just found the merge button on the SuperMod CP and is trying it out.

First off, Bill Paxton does NOT play the same character - his characterization in "Big Love" is light years (literally ) from Corporal Hudson in "Aliens".

That said, Fillion would be best as an action hero - the early Harrison Ford/Mel Gibson area of the Hollywood ecosphere. I could easily see him as Han Solo or Indy or Mad Max. Something like that.

Timmy, it's pretty simple. Saying "I don't like what little I've seen so I don't want to see more" is NOT the same as saying "Everything he does is bad"

I'll give you a closer parallel. There was a time when I could not STAND Steve Martin. I saw part of the Jerk and another one - I think it was "The Man With Two Brains" and found him unberable. So I quit watching him - in anything.

I said - I hate Steve martin, he's not funny to me.

Then i saw - quite by accident - Roxanne, and i saw "Leap of Faith" and i was impressed. The Steve martin ban was over.

But if I had never tried anythng else - if I still told you today "Steve Martin sux"...my remark would be inaccurate even for me - because there would be good work out there, good work in my own view if I had only know, that I was ignorant of.

That's what I'm saying. YOU are saying ALL his work sucks because what you have seen sucks - an illogical and dumb statement.

then you weaken your already weak position by give contridictory accounts of what you have seen, admitting you don't even remember one of them, and then admitting that in the other four he DOESN'T play exactly the same guy after all.

Then conclude by insisting he does.

Either you are decending to Baba-esque logic, or you are trolling.

I thought it was the latter but given your presistance, maybe it's the former.

Sorry for having opinions that differ from yours, Shep. I don't need to be kicked in the balls twice to know that it fucking hurts, just like I don't need to see more of Nathan Fillion's work to know that he sucks.

Yet I gave Fillion a second chance when I decided to watch Drive, but to me it was the same character all over again, with different lines. And once again, I felt like I was being kicked in the balls every time that douchebag was on screen.

"Oh what's this? Shep claims that getting kicked in the balls a third time doesn't actually hurt? Well, why the fuck not!"

In statistics it's called a "sample size error"

Still, you could have just said "I don't care for his work....that's quite different that declaring he has no talent.

there are a lot of performers i don't care for, doesn't ean all of them are bad at what they do - just don't happen to be something that appeals to me.

That's the thing with the Firefly trolls....if they said "meh, I didn't much like it" no one would argue with them....but the argument is what they want so they have to go off on nonsensical tangets about how he "kills every show he appears in" even though no one with one eye and half sense would find that statment logical.

Either that, or you are so egotistical you think that your tastes DEFINE quality and that which timmy doesn't like, BY DEFINITION, CAN'T be good.

You'd be mistaken in that conclusion too.

I don't care for his work, and I think he has no talent. Am I still not allowed to have my own opinions? Do you shit on your students this much when they express an opinion that differs from your own?

And I have said several times before that "I didn't much like" Firefly (but I enjoyed the movie, despite Fillion's shitty acting). I never went on multi-page Mewa rants about how Firefly is literally worse than the holocaust and slavery combined.

Like I said before, 9 of the 12 shows he's appeared on were canceled once he appeared on them. The three shows he appeared on that weren't canceled were shows that were on for a long time (Outer Limits, King of the Hill, and Lost) before he appeared on them, and had fan followings big enough to prevent them from being canceled.

Correct, anything that I dislike is, in my OPINION, not good. That doesn't mean other people can't get all wet in their panties when Jesus H. Fillion appears on screen.

It's your opinion that Nathan Fillion is a greater actor than Harrison Ford and Bruce Willis, and it's my opinion that he sucks. Did you really need to troll this far? Do I need to qualify every post of mine with the caption "THESE ARE MY OPINIONS" just so you don't chew me out for being a liar? God damn.

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"Just your opinion"

Eh? All doe-eyed and innocent like?

Oh wait, weren't you the guy who titled his thread something like "Nathan Fillion to kill another show" or something like?

Yeah, I apologize. surely that was just an innocent childlike expression of your dissatistsfaction with his work.

How could I have ever thought you were trolling?

I'm so ashamed.

Don Johnson was the king of failed pilots before Miami Vice. He managed to not kill that show off.

"Nathan Fillion in talks to ruin another show's ratings"

The thread title was meant to be funny and not deadly serious, in case you didn't realize it like everyone else did. Lighten up.

That's actually a pretty solid comparison. I do thing Fillion would have to be very lucky to leverage his minor noterioty into a Bruce Willis like career but i could VERY easily see it taking a Don Johnson-like track.

Have you considered investing in a sense of humor?

~Paraphrased from memory

Actually though, it was cute for a while, different twists on it and stuff....but it's not funny now and hasn't been for a while. Again, I'm talking about a guy who, optomisticly, is probably the next don Johnson at best. i'm not submitting him for oscar consideration, but if you guys think after the mountanous multitude of posts about how bad nathan Fillion is and how he kills every show he's in and on and on...that it is STILL funny...?

That's not a sign MY sense of humor is non-existant....

My original thread title was meant as a joke, until you came in and started shitting it up talking about how "Nathan Fillion is on track to become the greatest actor ever" and "fuck you guys you don't know what you're talking about, you're not allowed to have opinions."

Let me know when he stars on a show that's not canceled, OK?

Edit: Ah, neg reps...the coward's way out of an argument.

I am guessing Fillion is giving blowjobs to various studio heads (!) just to get parts in series' and movies!