Anchor babies aren't real americans

You are teh baba. God of darkness and lesbians. In your wake fly the twin flags of controversy and galactica.

HA! I wish it worked that way in America!

Amend the constitution

In such cases you would have dual citizenship (depending on canadian immigration law) because there are two things that get you US citizenship. You need only 1. An american parent, or being born here.

Under your system, you can have several generations of immigrants who are still immigrants. The US born child of two perm residents would still be considered a fucking immigrant. And that is not right. It is part of the problem with immigrants in Europe, they are second class citizens because they have to have a citizen parent, and the requirements for citizenship make iit difficult for a legal resident to obtain. So they dont assimilate properly.

Why? Because you hate mexicans? How is a child with a citizen parent any less of an american than a child with a non-citizen parent. The second generation kid speaks english typically, even if the parent does not. They assimilate into the culture, they participate in government. Hell, the system we have has worked well, barring racism *like barring asians) for a couple hundred years and has been part of making our country the nice cultural salad bowl that it is.

There are better ways of dealing with the immigration problem.

So at what point would that child become a citizen under this system?

Let's say the child is brought up with the parents not saying they are in the country illegally and has no idea that he/she is not a citizen. You would deport an adult who has never lived in any other country in their life? What if they then have children, are those children also not citizens because their parents are in the country illegally?

I don't get the idea of somehow simply being born in a certain country should automatically qualify you for citizenship. The UK thankfully changed a similar law when boatloads of pregnant immigrants and their whole families would turn up, give birth and automtaically win the right to stay here, whether they had another sound basis to do so or not.
Children of illegal immigrants should have the same status as their parents and be deported along with them. I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to track them down, since they'll undoubtedly be using public hospitals and other forms of medical care, and without the proper paperwork, it should be easy to confirm their illegal status.

Another vote for "some form of citizenship for the baby, deport the parents."

The parents could be given the choice of putting the child up for adoption in the States, or taking it back with them to Mexico. Using a baby as an "anchor" like that is deplorable, and should not be rewarded in any desirable way.

No...because I hate criminals

That sounds an awful lot like what I said in post #9!

We are talking solely about illegal immigrants and the children thereof.

I see no problem whatsoever giving permanent resident status to the American born children of permanent residents.

In short, it would be best to say that I support giving the children the status of the parents. For children born to parents with different status, the children get the "higher" status. In other words, if the Mom is an illegal and the Dad is a citizen, the kids are citizens.

No, no! Can't do it!

We've got more important things to do with our Constitutional Amendments, like preventing flag burnings.

God knows we can't use our amendments for silly things like defending our borders.

How is the child a criminal and how do you justify punishing the child for the crimes of its parents?

But controlling flag burning would be easier than controlling the border.

The latter is too difficult an undertaking, so let's just wait awhile...

It will surely be easier in a decade than it would be now

And in that way you will still have multiple generations of non-assimilated immigrants. Just like exists in continental europe.

Parents go to jail for criminal acts they commit, leaving their children to be cared for by some other party.

Why should this criminal act be any different?

How does the child's innocence mitigate the deeds of it's parents or exempt them from any consequence?

The parents are the criminals, and the kid should be sent home to Mexico faster than you can say Elian Gonzalez.

(Yeah, I know: he was Cuban.)

That whole thing was hilarious. Fucking Elian.

And it made for a darned good South Park epi, too.

I was more for the referrence to the event in the Family Guy episode where Brian runs away with Seabreeze.

I am fine with deporting the parents. But I am not OK with changing the citizenship requirements out of pure spite. Sorry, but that sort of bullshit should not go into the constitution. Especially because it will have negative consequences that reach beyond your knee-jerk hatred of illegal immigrants.

I will be blunt. I live in a border state. The immigrants, like it or not, are a necessary part of our economy. And in many ways, the hatred of people not only in my state, but non-border states is the result of fear mongering and it is unbelievably hypocritical. The same people that rail against illegal immigration will hire a couple mexicans to rake their leaves the very next day.

Except that in the case of Anchor Babies, mexico is not home. The US is. They were born here, and depending on when you catch mommy, raised here.

The kid committed no crime.

Do you have evidence of this, or is it just what you tell yourself?

I won't.

Oh, bullshit. They might be necessary to preserving the economy as we know it today, but that doesn't mean an illegal labor-free economy is impossible.

I wouldn't. Don't imply bigoted hatemongering and then insult people with broad generalizations like that.

personal experience. I see it, every fucking day. "Immigrants commit other crimes! Immigrants steal your identity! They steal american jobs!" Please. Maybe if we changed the way we dealt with employment documents (like... I dont know... a simple computer program that cross references names, with employment, with the SSN) we could fix the problem of illegals getting a hold of SS numbers. Illegal immigrants(or at least the ones that you see on the corner wanting to do yardwork) do not cause that much more crime per capita than any other individual. And its mostly petty property crime.

As far as jobs are concerned... we have full employment. It isnt a problem.

I am dealing from personal experience here. Not all need apply

No, home is where their citizenship lies. Illegal aliens are not citizens of the US. Nor should their children be, simply because of place of birth during the parents' commission of a crime.

Agreed, but they should not be entitled to citizenship based solely on that point.

You want to be an American? Then go through the process and legally acquire citizenship. I don't think it's too much to expect of any nation or government.

You should make that distinction more clearly, lest someone get the impression that you are no less guilty of ignorant overgeneralization than those who see all illegal immigrants as baby shitting, drug dealing, disease carrying identity thieves, hopping the border to facilitate the subversion of minimum wage laws and fair business practices while bankrupting hospitals and draining public education revenues.