Illegal alien invader...saves child's life

Yes I am surprised.

I would like to believe that most people wouldn't leave the child, even if their own freedom was at stake, but I look around me at the human race and I am not so sure that is true.

Anyway, if you listen to all the hyperbole from the political pundits on tv and radio (and if read the Red Room of TNZ) all we ever hear is how "dangerous criminal invaders" are sneaking into this country and raping our children and robbing and killing people and driving drunk.

The implication these pundits try to make is that these people - all these people - are anything but decent. They are a bunch of people who, since they don't respect or value border laws, must not value any law, or human life either. Criminals. All of them. And as "criminals", a criminal border crosser is just as likely to be a criminal who doesn't value humans life.

But this story shows otherwise.

The hyperbole is just that.

Stick that in yer pipe and smoke it Bill O'Reilly.

The only reason you've given is that it does happen. But where is the reason? An actual reason why an unrelated act should absolve a prior crime.

Well, technically they are, merely by crossing the border illegally. Any subsequent bad behavior is just so much more criminal behavior.

In that case I also gave you a reason wholly seperate from precedent earlier in the thread, as well.

But the implication by the pundits is that since these people break this one law, they are inclined to break any and every other law.

So if I smoked a joint in college, I suppose I'm just as likely to kill someone in cold blood.

Rosa Parks broke the law, I suppose she was just as likely to rape a child.

You may not support them, but thats the way the law functions here and now.

Because we don't live in a totalitarian society, and this isn't the movie "Brazil" or the planet Rubicam 3.

Because we are flexible. Because we realize that protecting the spirit of the law is sometimes better than sticking to the letter of it.

Do you think a vice that hurts no one but yourself, or standing up for a right you technically acquired a century prior are crimes?

So how does that apply in this example?

Because border and immigration laws exist to protect us from undesirable people.

Are you sure?

Culpability, intent, penalty, societal opinion.

Hmmm...Marathon has pointedly ignored me...

They are (or were) "crimes".

Doing so, right or wrong, broke/breaks the law.

I could ask you:

Do you think that sneaking into the United States illegally because you want to make a better life for yourself and you family is a crime?

Just as some people see smoking pot as a crime that should be punished, mere lawbreaking. And others saw Rosa Parks or M.L.K. as mere lawbreakers.

Some people see those as human rights issues.

And it's the same for illegal immigration. To some it's mere lawbreaking, to others it's an issue of human rights.

But that wasn't the point I was trying to make with the OP anyway.

It was how we can turn on the TV or radio and hear pundit after pundit barraging us with a hail of stories about illegal immigrants stealing, killing, raping, drunk driving, all selected to make us believe that ALL illegal aliens are would-be rapists, thieves, murderers, and child molesters.

But that's not the truth. And to see a story about an illegal saving a child's life illustrates that.

But will you see this mentioned on Fox, or Glen Beck, or Rush, on in the next Minuteman flier?

Of course not.

There are many crimes for which that could be used as an excuse.

So?

Pundits are entitled to say whatever they want. You are entitled to either ignore what they say, or avoid them altogether.

Hey children are part of the human race too!



Oh wait...

That does sound like a big bunch of hyperbole.

Hey pundits are part of the human race too!



Oh wait...

Couldn't agree more.

I didn't read the article. Would a search party have found the kid anyway? If, in searching for the kid, would they have found the illegal?

Perhaps. But if one of the search party choked on a pretzel, all the illegal would have to do is give him the heimlich maneuver and US citizenship would be his

In fact, one could argue that the illegal was only serving his own interests by staying with the kid: "Well, when they look for this kid, they'll probably find me anyway, so maybe if I 'rescue' the kid, things'll be better for me than if I just leave him and keep going.

Yes, indeed.

Justice and The Law are not the same thing.

Good for him. Now deport his ass.

Give the guy a medal, then send him home.

Good deeds don't earn you a free pass to break the law.

Do you think he did this, with the intent to stay in this country? Did he think to himself "If I save this kid's life, maybe I will get to stay in the USA".

Or did he do this, out of the goodness of his heart? Knowing it was a pretty good chance he would be deported.

That is the big question. If he did this for his own self serving interest, then I say send the guy back, and tell him to get in line like everybody else.

But if he did this, and knowing he would get caught, but did it anyway, then those are the characteristics I think this country needs more of.

I agree.

So, if he'll come into the country legally, I'll be happy to have him here.

So, you see, the pundits are wrong.
They're not all criminals.
They're all Spiderman.

Deport him as an example that illegal immigration will not be tolerated, but make it very clear to him that if he wants to legally immigrate the relevant agencies have his name and are awaiting his call for him to be allowed in the proper way.

If the truth be known, he'd probably already slipped back into the US by the time the article hit the internets.

And Spiderman's a criminal!

Case closed!

Well, of course.
What with being Spiderman and all.

I think the guy did the right thing helping the kid. Do I believe that merits giving him a free pass after having violated US immigration law entering this country illegally? No, I do not. Put him back in line and tell him to wait his turn along with everyone else who enters the country legally.

Maybe, but that's why you tell him he is welcome to come in through the legal methods before he is deported.

After that, if he chooses to not take the offer then it's off the table.