Religion And The Horrors Of Madagascar

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Dear, oh dear, you really know how to flog a dead horse don't you....

As Packard quite correctly points out above you clearly indicated that only those such as yourself who truly follow the teachings of Jesus are the real Christians and those who carry out questionable activities are only people who use the name of the religion to do so. Perhaps "squeaky clean" was a crude way of putting it, but by your own assessment your brand of Christianity does no wrong. Would you care to now retract the suggestion that your form of Christianity is nothing but a force of good?

As pointed out above I am not twisting anything. What is so sorry and sad about your attitude is that you are so arrogant in your convictions to think that you and your own brand of christians, above all other forms of christianity, is the correct one. Not only is that intolerant, it is vastly in contradiction to your argument that you will condemn the actions of other christians. In effect you have placed yourself on a pedestal upon which you pass judgment on forms of christianity that to you are not proper. You are a modern day Torquemada who refuses to accept any perspective other than his own. Your constant wild and false accusations in this threads about things we haven't said and your repeated your of the "you're twisting my words complaint" is, to my mind, reminiscient of a tantramus child who doesn't get his own way.

Well, you can think you if you like so as to satisfy your need to somehow "get one over me", but I am afraid that you are wrong. I used it exactly in the context that I have said I did and your laughable attempt to score points against me by claiming to be able to correctly assess what was going on in my mind at the time of my using the word is bordering on pathetic.

I have no comment on most of this, except the sentence I have highlighted, to which I would say that I have gone much further than you towards making credible fact based arguments on the points I have made, as the general opinion of others would seems to confirm. In fact, this thread has only gone on as long as it has because it appears you will go to whatever lengths necessary to win this debate, long after I have offered a detailed opinion in my initial post, which everyone seemed to understand (irrespective of whether or not they agreed with it) but you. In my opinion I think you are now digging yourself out of a hole and beginning to look at little bit silly.

Would you care to point out where I said this? I don't recall saying it, and don't even think it. You may quote the relevent passage to refresh my memory.

How can I retract what I never said? I do maintain that some forms of Christianity are a force for good. I don't remember ever saying it was "my" form of Christianity, or that it was "nothing" but a force for good. Could you refresh my memory on when I said that, as well?

And would you care to point out where I said this? My position, maintained over and over and over, has always been that anyone, in any church, who truly wants to follow the teachings of Jesus, is a Christian.

In that case, you have placed yourself on a pedestal upon which you pass judgment on me, among others. If it is wrong to pass judgment, why do you do it? If it isn't wrong, why do you condemn it? Jesus said that only those who follow his teaching are his disciples. Am I wrong to remind people of what he said?

I am very happy for you. Now that you have finished congratulating yourself, would you care to point out where I have made the statements to which you refer?

Yes. I'm not a Christian, and I think that child killing should be punishable by death.

Seriously; children are the innocent new life- they are blank slates, literally. Killing a child for superstitious reasons is to kill the future, plain and simple. Of course, killing a child is probably ultimately less cruel than raising it to be a Muslim, but that's a whole different argument.

Neg me, bitches. I double-dog dare ya!

To be fair though, you can raise your child to be Muslim AND kill him at the same time. :borgs:

You oughtta be negged just for that blatant and annoying misuse of the term "literally".

And what part of it don't you understand? Apparantly the whole concept, since no where in this thread has there been a question of anyone "forcing" their beliefs on others. You really are grasping at straws here.

Nice dodge. Am I to take it that you can't back up your assertions so you aren't even going to try?

Nonsense. The whole thread started with a discussion of one religion -- animism - that is supported by wars and persecution, and another religion -- Chrsitianity -- that is apparently instrumental in legally forbidding standing religious practices in favour of its own values.

And your problem is?

Seriously....I've 'tried' to get your point the past 2 pages...but I just can't.

What???????? You have to be kidding me? Do you not remember your own comments about supplanting your religion in place of a native one and your opinion that the world would be better of if Christianity spread throughout? How exactly does one do such a thing without coercing others intio the religion?

Nice dodge. Am I to take it that you can't back up your assertions so you aren't even going to try?[/QUOTE]
I can back up any one of my "assertions" above. In terms of statements, you have offered forth nothing further than the notion that your brand of christianity is the key to better society. Or would you care to correct me?

How about: Showing people a better way, and letting them make their choice?

I don't know anyone who has become a Christian by force. Not one person. And yet I know thousands of Christians, in a dozen countries or so.

Do you know anyone who has become a Christian by force?

Then please do so. I listed three separate statements that you claimed I made, and asked you to quote where I made them. Since you can back up those claims, do so.

Well, if the people choose of there own free will to apply christian values you cant call that forcing. I doubt Asyncritus plans to torture people inquisition style to help the spread of Christian tyranic domination over the world . They do have a will of there one in Madagascar to accept or refuse new things, don’t they?

I didn't find any mention of forcing anything (maybe I'm just stupid )

(hello all of you by the way. I'm new here (as you can tell). Nice to meet you guys)

You were not supposed to reveal my plans! Here I thought that would be the best way to convince everyone that living according to Christ's principle of loving your neighbor as yourself was the way to go...

That doesn't involve passing laws.