Star Trek II sucked, plot holes everywhere

What happened with the Eugenics Wars? I kind of missed when they occurred. And how did Khan get a ship with cryogenic freeze in 1996? And how is that McCoy's the one who knows that if Kirk opens the door he'll flood the whole compartment (seems to me that that's Scotty's job to know such things)? And how is Spock able to go into the compartment without releasing radiation, but Kirk can't?

Why is the prefix code only six digits long? It'd take me about 30 minutes to crack that, a 23rd Century computer should be able to do it in about a femtosecond or less.

How is it that Khan is unable to figure out Spock's code? ("Hours would seem like days.") Why did Khan quit jamming the Enterprise's transmissions after two hours? Didn't the Reliant have a tactical display to show him that the Enterprise was still circling Regula, like the Enterprise did?

Why didn't Kirk bitch slap Spock when Spock said, "As with all things, each according to his nature." after Kirk asked him if the cadets could handle "real pressure"?

Why didn't Khan simply blow the Enterprise to bits once he discovered Kirk was onboard?

Why do they all just leave the newly conscious Chekov on the floor and go off to the Genesis cave?

Of course, STIII has bigger plotholes, like David getting knifed in the back, when he really died of AIDS.

 

I felt it was implied that Captain Kirk violated Starfleet procedures in marooning Khan and his followers.

Thus Kirk erased all records of where he had left Khan.

The records regarding the number of planets in the system were from an automated probe decades earlier (and not from Kirks records). As I said above, even the number of official major planets in our own solar system has changed.

It is pretty well known by astronomers that the presence of a large planet in a solar system greatly effects the orbits of other bodies in the same system.

I felt it was pretty obvious why it had to be Spock to repair the main energizer.

Scotty was injured and just barely conscious. They had started the mission with mainly cadets aboard. And even then a number of engineering personnel were killed or injured in the initial attack.

Finally, it is probable only Vulcan stamina and endurance could've withstood the heat and radiation long enough to bring the main energizer back online.

Khan needed a focus for his anger through 15 years of hardships and naturally focused on Kirk.

Not only had Kirk marooned him there, but aboard Enterprise he had deprived Khan of a clean death from the Enterprise engines overloading and exploding.

Khan and his followers were genetically engineered. Khan himself had five times Kirks strength. It stands to reason that their resistance to disease and aging would enable them to still look relatively youthful after only 15 years. Aside from Khan who suffered from the stress of being the leader.

The galaxy is a big place. The odds of any kind of ship useful to Khan happening to land on his planet of exile was very long indeed. At least within Khans lifetime.

In all likelihood, Kirk kept the secret of Khans exile under time coded lock with Starfleet command so a ship could be sent back in 100 years (as Spock suggested in Space Seed) and find out how Khan and his followers had made out.

Undoubtedly, Kirk figured that 100 years of exile would've mellowed the worst of their instincts and hoped that they might be able to return to Federation society.

 

Khan WAS planning on blowing the Enterprise away. He said so.

"When I swing around I intend to deprive you of your life."

"But first, I wanted you to see who had beaten you".

Of course Khan offers to spare the Enterprise for Genesis, but he most certainly intended to destroy the Enterprise anyway.

The tactical display on the Enterprise viewscreen was provided by the stations sensors. Not the Enterprises.

 

Yeah, but why dick around? You know he's on the Enterprise, vaporize it and be done with it. The guy beat you once before, clobber the crap out of him while you've got him down, and don't worry about the rest of that crap. Hamlet could have killed his uncle easy, while his uncle was praying, but Hamlet was worried that if he did so, his uncle would go to heaven, so he waited. This lead to nearly everyone else getting killed. Surely Khan would be familiar with the story to know that you don't dick around, you get the guy in your sights and you kill the bastard. Otherwise you end up a chump like your typical Bond villian.

Not stated in the film. Kirk comes on to the bridge and says, "Tactical." There's no mention of it coming from Regula 1.

 

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27 years ago today "TJ Hooker II: The Wrath of Mr. Roarke" was released in theaters.

Friday June 4th 1982

 

Neither is Earth, yet we have Antarctica.

 

Solution without a problem.

They knew that Reliant was on the opposite side of Regula so the computer simply displayed the current situation as such. Sensors were not even consulted.

 

Maybe . . . if they populated the quadrant as densely as we do the Earth. Or had probes capable of mapping the quadrant as quickly and efficiently as our satellites map Earth.

Geezers are so un-photogenic.

With all those Klingons and Romulans and Death Traps Of Death running around the galaxy, who's going to have time to check on a bunch of nasty old wanna-be conquerors to see if they need a hand with anything?

I'd guess that it makes a star if there's no star in the immediate area.

An excellent question. You may also be wondering why Engineering is designed without any overrides that can open the doors if a drunk crewman locks himself in.

Now that's a stretch.

 

Genesis does not make a sun. There was already a star in or near the Mutara Nebula (where do ya think all the light came from?)

The Genesis device used the nebula to crate the planet, which fell into orbit around the existing star.

 

I think the thing that Spock lifts out at the start of the procedure blocks radiation from getting out of the pedestal-thingy. So the radiation was contained within the pedestal-thingy until Spock opened it up, at which point the transparent aluminum or whatever surrounding him was containing the radiation.

 

Is that in the novelisation? There's a lot fo good stuff in it.

 

I believe it happened largely in South America, and most of it was covered up by the various world governments.

They've had cryogenic technology for a while now. Walt Disney, anyone?

Maybe it doesn't need to be especially hard to crack because it only works when transmitted by another Starfleet vessel?

That, or it's like the pin on my bank card, where my card is frozen if I get it wrong three times in a row.

 

Ah, like the fact that we faked the Moon landings.

Nope.

Besides, Khan & Co. were expecting to be automatically thawed out when they reached their destination. Taint nobody been unfrozed yet and walking around.

Still not exactly a smart idea, because if someone who knows about Federation vessels takes one over, you're kinda screwed.

That's a little more logical.

 

How much news do you really hear about South America on a regular basis?

Last time he spoke at the UN, Hugo Chavez made a long, fiery speech about past American actions in South America. The only part of the speech reported in the media? The one comment he made comparing Bush to the devil.

The rest of the world is great at ignoring things.


There's also a Trek novel that covers the Eugenics Wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=9119688

Surely, a man as rich and powerful as Khan would have access to technology more advanced than is commonly available.

And most of the people frozen don't want to be revived until a cure is found for whatever ailed them. Khan and his followers didn't have such concerns, they were just killing time.

Still not exactly a smart idea, because if someone who knows about Federation vessels takes one over, you're kinda screwed.[/quote]
This is the same Starfleet that never leaves any sort of defences around Earth.

They're not especially smart.

 

Well, the prefix codes are surely under considerable code protection themselves. Besides which, I don't remember the dialogue exactly, but the codes might not typically be carried around by every ship in the fleet -- only those transporting officers of rank Admiral (for example) or higher.

 

Kirk: Saavik, punch up the data charts on Reliant's command.

Saavik: Reliant's command?

Kirk: Hurry!

Spock: The prefix code?

Kirk [nodding]: Its all we've got.

Spock: He might have changed it. He's quite intelligent.

Its Spock who retrieves the code and gives it to Kirk, Saavik then punches it into the system.

Not sure how Spock would be able to get the info if it were "Admiral's Eyes Only" information.

 

Of course, Spock was the nominal Commanding Officer of Enterprise, so perhaps it's only something that the ship's CO is privy to, which would make good sense. The idea of the prefix code is to cripple a ship that's compromised by outside sources.

If Reliant were not under the influence of Khan but rather Captain Terrell had gone rogue and Kirk knew this to be fact, no doubt both Reliant AND Enterprise would have changed their prefix codes.

 

There may be plot holes, but TWOK will remain my second favorite Star Trek movie(behind TSFS). I grew up with this movie, so it has a special place, despite its flaws!

 

From what I remember of reading ST:III (or it might have been the Genesis Wave Triology) Genesis only made the sun because there was enough matter in the Mutara Nebula to make both and because there was no sun there.

If the device had been used on a planet already in existence it would have just reformed the planet. (Of course one assumes the planet chosen would be within a stars habitable range or otherwise whats the point?)

Of course the whole Genesis device strains even Star Trek "science" to the breaking point.

Probably does but when your crew is mostly trainees the odds are high that they are pissing in their pants because there are not enough veterans to carry them through the crisis or the equipment is damaged/the veterans who really know what to do are dead or out of action like Mr.Scott.

Plus there is the whole time factor. Under normal circumstances they might wait a while before attempting repairs. Spock only had four minutes.

 

You can't be serious right? McCoy's a doctor on a spaceship. One assumes he understands the hazards of radiation especially from the ships engines.

Plus you figure everyone knew that Kirk opened the door it would flood the compartment because McCoy, Scotty and another Engineer grabbed him to prevent him from doing just that.

McCoy just happened to be the first one to vocalize it to Kirk.

Spock probably did release radiation but it was a low level radiation release.

If you watch the scene you see Spock releases a lot more radiation when he pulls the lid off whatever the hell that thing was in the room.

Probably released enough to make the whole compartment hazardous to life if Kirk opened the door.

Just assume that there are other factors involved. I don't think people would have liked sitting through a half hour of Spock reading a thousand numbers.

He had a brain fart.

Movie sir....movie....

He stinks from being locked up in that box.

 

Trick question. In an interview DeForest Kelley said that the lines were originally reversed, with Scotty saying that they'd flood the whole compartment, and McCoy saying, "He's dead, Jim." Kelley pointed out that for him to say that, would break the dramatic tension of the scene, because the audience would be laughing/cheering.

But to your point about McCoy knowing about the hazards of radiation from parts of the ship, that's true, but he wouldn't have the intimate knowledge of it that Scotty would, so he would be unlikely to know if popping the door open would be exceedingly hazardous, though he'd naturally be dubious about it, I think. Of course, Scotty could have said something to him about when they were offscreen, too.

 

I'm tellin' ya, the sun was already there. Regula (the planetoid) was orbiting it. The Genesis device built the planet, and the planet only, from the mass of the nebula.

If there was no sun, where did this lovely single-point backlighting come from:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch13/twok0976.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch13/twok0973.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch13/twok0952.jpg

 

^^^

 

I thought Genesis was to bring life to a dead world. So how did it manage to create an entire planet inside that nebula?
And contrary to Kirk's eulogy, Spock did NOT give his life to protect the newly created planet. He gave his life to protect the crew!

 

Well that's damn rude of them.
Quote the post, then cut and paste the addresses.
Or, fuck it, you know the movie - remember when they were in the nebula and there was a bright single light behind the Reliant? That was a sun.

 

Maybe.

Maybe not.

 

That's what happens when you fuck around with protomatter.

 

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