How Do You FEEL About Jamey Whistler's Banning? A Candlelight Vigil

P.S. Hey I've got a great idea along these lines!

On the Register page, just above the 'register me!' button, there should be a checkbox. It should be attached to a passage that reads:

And then anyone who wants to register has to check the box before they register. That way they'll know what they're getting into beforehand and can't act all surprised. We'll get better posters as a result, too, I'll bet. I mean, seriously, if you can't stand people making fun of you for having a pink toothbrush, you totally don't belong here.

Do you not see the problem though?

This standard makes posting almost anything a potential problem if someone wants to create one.

A series of perfectly normal pictures is now a personal information violation just because someone says so. Is every picture of a manta ray trolling Doc or only when Jamey does it? Consistency says they all are. Or is it only when people who don't like Doc does it? Is it okay for Jenee to have a manta ray av but not Scorponok?

Oh, I see.

In that case, ban all the fuckwits with "protest" avs.

Same context, right?

Actually, Zombie made sure it got out, going so far as to repost the images from Jameys sig on Wordforge.

He seems be getting away with it, though.

You sure seemed to believe it was my real information when you reposted it.

How the fuck do you get to keep your job after pulling shit like that, anyway?

You do not deserve to be in a position of trust.

You tell me, if we have a "random photos" thread, would it be crossing a line if someone posted a picture of your house?

I personally would think that is wrong, and admit I am not exactly sure where the line should be. Saying that there is no line whatsoever though is clearly incorrect.

If you can find on Google what the address is and link it to Tamar Garish, it's my own fault.

Getting it from Ted is what I would call a real personal information violation...information that is not publicly available but is posted here anyway. That kind of violation should be treated in the harshest manner possible.

There are two issues at play here:

1) Did Jamey reveal personal information about 14thDoc in his banner?

2) Does the banner, in and of itself, reveal to those without prior knowledge of 14thDoc's real name, any personal information about the victim?

The answer is no in both cases.

If that happened, that would then fall under the jurisdiction of the law, restraining orders and all that. You would be free to do so, but if Tamar were found in a shallow grave shortly after, you would bear the responsibilities of your online actions and the part you played in her demise.

So, are we to police TK now and punish people here for their actions at that BBS?

I have absolutely no idea if that is really your name or not. Your reaction to the troll indicates it probably is.

What I do at TK has nothing to do with what I do here, that's why. What anyone does on any other board has nothing to do with their standing here and should not.

You, are in no position to determine anyone else's trustworthiness considering your own actions. You really are a hypocrite on this subject.

You don't see where that precedence was set when it was fine to troll garamet with her personal information, but everyone else was protected?

I agree ... - well, except for the insuation that certain posters are above others. But, the sentiment ..., actual conversing - regardless of whether or not you agree with their point - rather than random nonsense, I agree with.

I already noted in a previous post that if Lanzman wants to go with this precedent that if he wants to be consistent that is what should happen.

Does this mean if I had complained about the member "Jenna" she would have been banned, since I was here first and all?

How did things get so nuts that you guys are banning over FIRST names?

sheeeesh....



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It looks like the court of public opinion has spoken, and 76% think it's an incredibly bad decision.

Will Lanzman take action, or will he just sit at his desk, juggling his balls all day while Rome burns?


(A bit hyperbolic, but still a post I wanted to make. )

Personal information is not something to be trifled with, remember? If he was, in fact, deliberately trolling here for a reaction from 14thDoctor, then he deserved a warning at the least.


People come here to vent, yes; to discuss news and philosophy, yes; to chit-chat about nothing much, yes; to talk about movies or video games or computers, yes. Some even seem to come here with the idea of [-]spamming[/-] expressing every little thought in their heads without caring about whether anyone else will find them remotely interesting.

I don't want this site to be a place people visit with the intent of using information they've dug up on other posters. For whatever purposes. I don't want "Hey, ___ started a thread about dirt they dug up about ___!" to be even an occasional theme. That's not remotely constructive at all, and I find it distasteful and worrisome.


[edit] I have not voted because I am still waiting for evidence of intent.

I bolded the part you seem to have missed.

Wrong. You're in a position here that gives you access to loads of sensitive information, and yet you've shown you can't be trusted to keep another Wordforgers personal information to yourself. If you can't be trusted with that information, why should you be trusted with more information?


To use Baileys example, would you be okay with Elwood posting your address on TK?

No, I don't. I think Jamey's "troll" was pretty clever. and, if I've connected the dots correctly, garamet's was, too.

But, the precenence was set when it was ok to troll one person, but all others were protected.

Jesus fucking Christ.

GARAMET POSTED HER NAME, IN FULL, ON THIS SITE, ALL BY HERSELF.

You people will keep trying to play with these rules until she gets that double-standard she yearns for...you know, where she can talk about her work and books but no one can use her name without her permission.

As for Jack..

Jack Donner is an actor and a public figure and as such can be discussed at any time. Their connection is incidental.

If Anne Rice came in here and demanded we not talk about her or information about her everyone would laugh in her face and for good reason.








I agree ... - well, except for the insuation that certain posters are above others. But, the sentiment ..., actual conversing - regardless of whether or not you agree with their point - rather than random nonsense, I agree with.[/QUOTE]

Since when can a first name, by itself, be used to track you down in RL?


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So if your husband were a public figure and not on the board, would you appreciate people dragging him into the conversation and making snide remarks about him whenever they were annoyed with you?

Just hypothetically?

It's one more piece of intel. Obviously, unusual first names make things easier, but a name is a name.

It's not about who knows what or why. It's about intent.

Have you ever had to take 'Sexual Harassment' classes for work or ... school? It's not about what was said, it's about why it was said.

Never, not even once, have I used information gained from my position here to troll anyone here or anywhere else.

I strictly use Google....the fun is in the search not the payoff...and I haven't even done any of that in quite awhile.

I trust Elwood with that information which is why I told him...you do get a distinction between information one can find on Google without extra help and information told to someone privately, don't you?

Of course not...which is why if I didn't want that to happen, I wouldn't share the fact of who we are.

If I did share that information, it is pretty common knowledge there is no protection for public figures from that kind of targeting. Some people even make a living doing that...tabloids anyone?

Is it nice? No. Is it any worse than most of shit done in the Red Room? No.

You really don't get this place do you.

Oh, I get it - which is why I'm confused about having the rule in the first place.

Most people here complain about TNZ and all the rules that the whiney lefts hid behind, but there is no rule in TNZ that says you can't troll someone with personal information.

If you didn't have it, garamet could have fought back with Kirk and none of the rest would have happened.

This I believe.

There are plenty of ways to "fight back" that doesn't involve real names. She put hers on the board herself...Kirk did not...do you not get the difference? Her name was and is public information....Kirk's was not.

She claims inequality where there is none.

I shared my personal information with you in a PM. I didn't know you very well, but I figured that since you were the board owners "right hand," you must be trustworthy.

Without your position, you wouldn't have gained that information.

I googled "my personal information" + "14thDoctor," and the only relevant link was the one where you revealed my personal information.

Do you get the distinction between information one can find on Google without extra help and information told to someone privately?

You know what makes things easier? 14thDoc telling people where he lives, and willfully sharing his name online.

If you don't want people stalking you in RL, don't give out your fucking name. or where you live.

So when Ted murders Tamar it'll be her own fault, right?


Idiot.

Needless to say, that makes you a fucking moron.

Why the fuck would you give out your fucking name to someone you don't even fucking know?

Moron.

I get the difference.

The difference is that garamet came here with an open book.

The fact that certain people couldn't control themselves and and made a mockery of that book created a hostile environment - not just for garamet, but the people who considered her a friend.

Why can't you see that?