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Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Nova, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Libertarian Party Platform - 2010

    On the whole :clap:
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  2. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    I broadly agree with 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5 - most of the social and foreign policies.
    I'm ambivalent or need clarification on 1.5, 1.6, 3.4, 3.6, 3.7, 4.0
    I broadly disagree with all the points from 2.0 to 3.0 - the economic policies.
  3. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Without all the other radical remodeling of the capitalist system in the other parts, this is a deadly delusion as the whole liars loan, and bailout fiasco has shown.

    Privatize social security with the mess we have now, you're handing people over to unrestrained criminal fucks.

    May as well drop baby chicks into a meat grinder, and naively hope they pop out the other side whole.
  4. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Whereas leaving Social Security in the hands of Congress is not handing people over to unrestrained criminal fucks?
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Before you guys disband Social Security, I want back every dime I've put in since my first summer job in 1967. You can keep the interest (and spare me the speech about the Ponzi scheme for once, mmkay? I get it. Not disagreeing, just bored with the speech). Just give me back the principal and let me invest it. Then you can rob each other blind with my blessing.
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  6. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    That's right, nothing works.
    :)
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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I'm reminded of a Jack Handey line from an old SNL.

    "If you ever drop your car keys in molten lava, just let 'em go, cuz man, they're gone".
  8. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Why not just say, "only Diacanu has good ideas" and be done with it? It would save a lot of time and eliminate a lot of ambiguity.
  9. Kor

    Kor Dahar Master

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    That's a shit ton of cash.
  10. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Because you wish it!

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  11. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    I have yet to find someone that wants to privatize SS that does not advocate grandfathering in everyone who has already contributed on an "explicit opt out" basis.

    In other words, no new enrollments in SS, but old enrollments are still valid. Anyone already enrolled who wants out has to say so.
  12. Uncle Albert

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    The reality would be a gradual tapering-off of benefits and payments, I imagine. Everyone would be taking a bite of a big shit sandwich, but you can't just keep fucking over each successive generation a little bit more than the last because you're not willing to face the reality of a failed program.

    So the less government meddling, the fewer costly, failed attempts at social engineering it makes.
  13. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Then you get wild west robber barony.

    You're still tilting at windmills, nothing means nothing.

    Entropy gnaws at your bones no matter what.
  14. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    So why not retain more control over you and yours while you circle the drain? What's the advantage to collectivising the suicide pact and making it official?
  15. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    [​IMG]

    (Deadpan)
    No matter what you do, you're gonna die.

    You, you, you, you're gonna die.

    You're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're gonna die.

    You, the chick over there, maggots are gonna come out of your tits.

    You're all gonna die.

    Doesn't matter what you do.
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  16. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    If you're circling the drain, control is an illusion, isn't it?
  17. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  18. 14thDoctor

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    So this massive oil spill, that's because the market wasn't free enough? Or because BP wasn't having its property rights respected enough?

    Come on.
  19. Uncle Albert

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    Control is not an all-or-nothing proposition, and never will be no matter what social structure you impose. Even controling your own rate of decay is preferable to leaving it in someone else's hands.
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  20. Uncle Albert

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    No, it's because that is one of many industries being shielded from the consequences of its actions. BP should not survive this incident intact, but it will, and not because of anything resembling the pressures of a free market.
  21. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Any liberals (or anyone else, of course) who are angry at BP for their handling of this oil spill are perfectly free to boycott them and never buy their gas again. That's pretty free market.
  22. Uncle Albert

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    Yeah, but the real hurt would come from removing that fucking liability cap.
  23. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

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    The liability cap is irrelevant. BP's already stated that they'll handle all legitimate damage claims.
  24. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Nuh-uh, not buying it. Lump sum, now. Got plans for it. :bergman:
  25. Uncle Albert

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    :lol:
    Yeah, and I'm sure they don't have an army of high-paid lawyers making plans to ass-rape the definition of "legitimate" as we speak.
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  26. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    They could have 2 armies of lawyers and still be outnumbered when it comes to these liability claims.
  27. Uncle Albert

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    If their "public statement" of paying for all legitimate claims isn't explicit and binding, the liability cap is still in play no matter what PR damage control spin they attempt. I won't believe a word of it until they voluntarily exceed the cap by a noteworthy degree.
  28. Nova

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    If we are going to incur trillions in debt in order to supposedly stimulate the economy and fix various economic ills anyway, i think refunding every dime every living soul has paid in to date would be an OUTSTANDING alternative to what has actually been done instead.
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  29. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    I've been wondering why the fishing and tourist industries haven't already filed suit. I found out today that they have. The article I was reading said that BP, Transocean, Haliburton, et. al. have all been named in 23,000 individual lawsuits.
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  30. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Massive oil spill = Shit happens

    No one should be under the illusion that any political philosophy will keep shit from happening.