Anyone Else Tired of the Klingons, Romulans & Vulcans?

[eddie_murphy]"If the pussy is green, there is something wrong with the pussy."[/eddie_murphy]

That don't matter if the shit's Orion! [/USCM]

I never cared to have space battles in every episode by the way.

A 26 episode regular season.

Five or six real space battles during the season including perhaps one that is more than just two ships would be about right.

As long as they were done right and had actual consequences.

Oh, so only a battle a month or so. Well why didn't you say so? During the entire half century Cold War, there were maybe a half dozen relatively minor confrontations. So what you're saying is you're looking for a series set during an all-out galactic war. Well, I guess that is perfectly in the vein of Star Trek.

Let's face it, man, you really don't want Star Trek. You want Battlestar Galactica. Or Space: Above & Beyond. Or a Starship Troopers series or something.

Ironically, the show that ruined Klingons for me was DS9 for exactly the reason you mentioned. Even Enterprise was able to show Klingons in positions of science and law and something other than "pusuit of honor," as it were. The way they came off in the former, it's a wonder they were ever able to achieve warp speed and leave Kronos.

I wouldn't mind a a new Trek taking the reigns over where ENT left off regarding Andorians.

Have you forgotten that during the Cold War the United States lost more than 100,000 troops killed (during the Korean and Vietnam War parts of the Cold War)?

Even ST:TNG managed after the first season to have about two or three spacebattles per season.

So a few more wouldn't be that great a change.

The original series featured some kind of exchange of fire in at least one in six episodes. And this despite not having the budget for it.

So Dayton wants a remake of Voyager without Tuvok?


No thanks!!!!

In capital ships?

Outright naval combat was rare during the Cold War.

Though the U.S. is believed to have sunk a Soviet submarine approaching a carrier battle group in the early days of the Korean War and many allege that the Soviets sank the attack submarine U.S.S. Scorpion in the late 1960s.

And IIRC, those killed in the explosions and fire on the carrier U.S.S. Forrestal in the late 1960s are considered to have died in the war.

Finally, what is the deal about me wanting "Voyager without Tuvok"?

Voyager featured Romulans, Vulcans, and Klingons repeatedly.

Hell I know it was crap but doesn't anyone remember the Voyager series finale?

^ The first few seasons were without them. We had the Kazon .

My point is that any Trek series without them would have to be a Voy style show far away from the Fed. Yes, a regular show could not feature them as often but they would be there.

Perhaps you're right.

But I would go one way or the other.

Either have the Klingons and Romulans so completely intergrated into the Federation and Starfleet that they're "just another alien race in the background" not worthy of any special comment or notice.

Or you have the Romulans, Klingons...and the Cardassians, Tholians, and others all allied with each other in a very close "anti-Federation Alliance". And keep them as enemies.

I'd like to see a new TNG but without the Enterprise. A different ship.

And it wouldn't be exploring. It would be within Federation space.

Base it off the current TNG/DS9/VOY novels where the Borg came in and fucked the Federation and the Klingon Empire up. Killed billions, if not trillions, or people, destroyed 100's of planets, wrecked Starfleet (and the Klingon fleet), and basically set the Federation/Klingons back economically, militarily and politically.

Now the Federation/Klingon alliance is facing a new threat of the Typhoon Pact. Tholians, Gorn, Romulans, Breen, Kinshaya and Tzenkethi. All have been hostile with the Federation and Klingons in their past.

There is a new "Cold War" with the Typhoon Pact.

Spend a few minutes explaining the whole Borg thing, the formation of the Typhoon Pact, the status of the FEderation and the Klingons and go from there.

It gives new stories that don't have to rely on Klingons or a forehead of the week (since they aren't exploring). It brings in and expands on some species that have gotten the short shrift in the series which enables the writers to come up with new storylines. You can have fighting, spying/sabotage, political maneuvering, and other stories.

It would be great.

nuTrek.

Of course it won't happen.

I've been tossing an episodic "Privateer" series around in my head for a long time now. Maybe some day I'll even type it out.

I hate everything written regarding the post Nemesis Star Trek.

Personally, I would disregard Insurrection and Nemesis as well.

Yeah but no one cares what you think. You want something that short of you meeting an actual "Q" is not ever going to happen. And that's assuming this "Q" listens to you instead of turning you into a roach and then stepping on you.

Well, ya gotta have SOMETHING to look forward to, I guess.

^^^ Indeed. I was referring to this mortal life.

Typhon.

Otherwise, I'm on board.

Sounds like Dayton is just sick of Trek.
Watch something else.
Or, go read books.
TV's bad for your eyes anyway.

Is it anything like this?

Ont thing I'll never forgive modern Trek for not doing is actually showing the Romulans and Klingons and other empires as empires. When Picard and Worf went to the Klingon homeworld, they should have shown the slave races in the capital doing slave race shit. When Picard and Data went looking for Spock, they should have shown conqoured races on Romulus being oppressed. Give it more than just lip service. Have Spcok have to convince Picard why it would be a good idea why reunification isn't shit, especially when Picard drops the "well the fucking Romulans built gas chambers and shit to genocide the fuck out of the natives of Klendethor II" or something.

Maybe even he sees enslaved Starfleet personnel in the streets being whipped or something.

But no, we needed tetryon beams far more.

I've played with that idea as well. Maybe a "Firefly"-type ship, within the Trek canon, but used for cargo runs, "dirty deeds done dirt cheap", and "off-the-table" Federation missions. Crew of 7-10 people, made up of Academy wash-outs, Tom Paris-types, etc.

Enterprise visited that basic concept twice with "Fortunate Son" and "Horizon". Take that idea and do something with it.

Show us the dirty underbelly of the Federation.

Volpone's right. I've watched TOSBSG and NuBSG in their entirety and there's not a single Klingon in it.

Unless you count John Colicos.