Well, I despise the TSA but not really the TSA workers themselves. Maybe I have been incredibly lucky, but I've always had a really good experience with the individuals of the TSA (the program is a huge pain in my ass, of course). They've always been polite and respectful in my experience, and ever since I moved across the country about ~10 months ago, I've been flying quite a lot. To pretend that the these people are all immoral because they chose to work at the TSA is nonsense. It's pure buck-passing, letting the real culprits of the policies off the hook. Don't shoot the messenger, etc. I'm sure you guys are all saints
And I'm sure the company you work for is a fucking champion of human rights, but because they're not government, you don't expect better of them, or some other asinine excuse that you use to justify the fact that it's okay for you to put food on the table but it's not for others.
Please, chronicle my employer's record of human rights abuses. This should make for some great reading. [-]I give you permission to use any knowledge you have about me to say who my employer is and to list their atrocities, including from off this site or from the Blue Room.[/-] Never mind, I've said who I work for in Techforge.
Well, whatever it is it's pretty likely it doesn't involve actions that under normal circumstances would land you in jail or prison in some instances like patting down children.
It's the otters in TSA outfits trying to give me the ass cancer that scare me. You can see them coming down the [-]moving walkways[/-] conveyor belts...
I work for a 20-person media platform startup. We don't even outsource. Short of coming up with dissident surveillance software, or a waterboard control computer, I find it hard to imagine how any software company of our size even could abuse human rights. Oh, I get it, you can't fathom that there might be someone out there with actual objections to working at immoral companies... because you'd never object yourself.
And yet you just automatically assume that they are widely abusive of personal freedom, like the TSA, to the point where you are condescending and accusing towards him just for working there. Interesting thought process.
Neither of the two companies I work for engage in anything immoral that I'm aware of, but I also haven't been the one in this thread wishing death on people because they have to put food on the table.
But of course people who are willing to ACTUALLY molest people or are willing to ACTUALLY irradiate them are a-ok, because they're putting food on the plate and the government has said it's ok. You're disgusting me, right now. That their cancers are a direct result of their immoral, violent behavior is almost poetic. Like if a Kmehr Rouge soldier stepped on a landmine his fellow soldiers had planted. EDIT: but even more so because the TSA agents still have the option to quit and can do so without getting shot. Where do you draw the line? DO you draw a line?
I have NO respect for any of the TSA workers. Don't tell me they're just doing their jobs. Nazi Concentration Camp guards were just doing their job too. The TSA is a bullying, authoritative, power-hungry agency that is doing more harm than good and needs to be disbanded. Any person who willingly chooses to work for said agency and treat their fellow Americans like scum deserves all the contempt that comes their way. Fuck 'em up the ass!
You're thinking of his buddy Chris. I don't think Nick ever did. Those Michiganders get General Motors in their mothers' milk, though, so I could see where you'd assume that he worked there.
You would be correct. My grandfather on both sides worked for General Motors, and much of my family works for Delphi or General Motors, however neither my father or mother worked at General Motors or any General Motors subsidiary, nor have I.
You're assuming a lot of things, for example: 1) That all people who work for the TSA molest people. 2) That they were aware of the cancerous effects of the machines, and intentionally exposed people to it. A more apt comparison is that in a corrupt police organization, some cops get shot who weren't corrupt, in addition to the ones who did.
1. Third from the top of the quote pyramid: 2. They haven't shut down the machines, they continue to use them, and for fuck's sake it's X-Rays with a high-surface (if low whole-body) dose! And they are specifically disallowed from wearing dosimeters, nor are passengers allowed to wear them. Why would that be except if they were covering something up?
Not everyone who works for TSA has a similar knowledge and understanding of technology and science that you do, or even that most of this board does. You're incorrectly thinking that because you have knowledge of such things that everyone does, which is just not true, look no further than recent attempts to curb nuclear power as an indicator of the lack of understanding associated with science and technology. EDIT: Good on you for at least not wishing death on those who don't even work the machines.
Are you really saying the average TSA employee doesn't know that radiation exposure is potentially hazardous? Is the bar for the job really that low?
Are you kidding? Have you ever spoken to these people? They make Liet look like he's got a brain by comparison.
I'm saying that the average TSA employee likely doesn't know enough about radiation to make educated opinions about the dangers of their job or the dangers it will have to others.
Normally people operating potentially dangerous-to-themselves-and-others equipment have to get a licence which includes a fair amount of education and training. Why haven't the TSA agents? And again, as I realized you never answered, where do you draw the line? Clearly it's not at child molestation.
Not that I am into wishing death on people... But... It would be some kind of poetic justice if the TSA thugs that made that poor, sick 95 year old woman remove her depends ended up with cancer that made them need to wear depends themselves.
Where I draw the line isn't really relevant here. You're extrapolating isolated cases onto an entire group.
All the TSA agents that I have encountered have been jack booted thugs, so if the little tyrants get cancer, I won't have any sympathy for them!!!
Brudder1967: All people of x group that I've encountered exhibit y trait. Therefore all members of x group must exhibit y trait.
The essential focus of a TSA agent's job, it seems to me, is to invade the privacy of air travelers. If a person is predisposed to perceive that as jack-booted thuggery, and the majority of people seem to be so, then it's not unreasonable generalization to expect that TSA agents are going to be seen as jack-booted thugs. Or maybe what The Defender is saying is that only some TSA agents act like TSA agents. Maybe there are all sorts of TSA agents. Maybe some of them are cooks, and some are painters, and some are auto mechanics, and the ones who demand that people walk through radiation gates and feel people up are just a tiny minority of TSA agents. We must always remember how offensive it is, in these modern times, to characterize a group accurately.
Or maybe not all TSA agents are screeners, and not all grope children and mess with old ladies, and not all airports have these technologies, and not all who put people through those machines know the health risks and would rather send people through that than grope them.
however, it's the granny groping screeners getting cancer that causes us joy. the TSA agents who do the flower arrangements remain in our thoughts and prayers.
