The Obama Figures Out Way to Double Gas Mileage...

Fuck Euroweenie cars...



2012 Ford Mustang Cobra Jet, 5.4L Supercharged 500+ HP

MPG is an outdated concept with this car. You travel so fast you go back in time so you technically save gas because you never bought it.

You and anyone who promotes this kind of sneering, condescending douchebaggery can go fuck yourself with a fence post.

Try to dictate choices to people, and they'll just stop buying new cars.

Price is an element of practicality, and has a big impact on the strength of any retail market. Your $100k solution is no fucking solution.

You can have cars with even greater fuel efficiency for much less than 100k. Have a look at BMW's 3 series or Audi's A4 series. And these are certainly not Smart cars. So it is possible and many people buy these cars, it's just that the US automobile industry doesn't have a whole lot of good products to offer.

Not one of those vehicles you mention are even close to the new standards the Obama is demanding be conjured up.

That you hold up overwrought, overcomplicated, overpriced European imports as the ideal tells me all I need to know-that you have no fucking idea how to cater to the American consumer. Or may be even worse-that you have active contempt for the American consumer and actually take pleasure in the idea of forcing them to drive something they don't like.

Gas mileage is a worthy pursuit, but it is not the only important factor, nor is it the most important one. I'm not giving up well-rounded functionality, simple, resilient design or ease of repair and maintenance just to satisfy people like you that I'm getting enough mileage. When someone finds a way to offer high-mpg vehicles with ZERO compromise in any other area (including price), then you will see more widespread market demand for it.

And the people who have families that require more space, or jobs that require more space and hauling capacity?

Oh, and that wonderful idea that this country was founded on called freedom and limited gov't. The whole concept of the gov't setting CAFE standards is a Constitutional violation as well as a really bad idea.

I see the whole 'improved MPG' debate a lot like the oil sands debate over how clean the whole extraction process is.

The other day a report was released that huge strides have been made that might even reduce the need for a tailings pond in the first place. Not only that, but extraction processes have advanced so much that there is talk about reducing the carbon footprint by up to 50% in the next 10 years from start to finish, while at the same time increasing output by millions of barrels.

There was some environmental oversight applied, but much of the process has been attributed to the discovery that the cleaner extraction process that they figured out creates a substance that can be somehow sold without royalty fees being applied.

Now there is a huge push to get this process finalized. I can't necessarily spare more details as everything is still being worked on, but the point is that without any government legislation to FORCE these companies to adhere to a certain standard, they still figured out a way to reduce their footprint environmentally.

The same thing will happen with the automobile industry. Because at the end of the day, when the consumer demands better MPG, the industry will HAVE to provide it.

We're already seeing that starting at the beginning of the whole process.....extracting the oil. Eventually we'll see it happen even more at the end of the process.....the car.

The government won't make much of a difference.

I remember pretty well when Christians were so derided by the left and, particularly, the ultra-greens, that there was a backlash that drove them to the conservative right. It got to the point that many forgot the Biblical mandate that man was made to be a steward of God's creation. That's what sneering contempt will get you.

Smart cars? Don't make me laugh. They get 41/33 for the hybrid version which is by far the most popular.

They're barely in the middle of the pack when it comes to fuel efficiency for compact vehicles. And they're not even close to this new agreement nor can they practically be made to be.

All you have to do to get a christian to be a hypocrite is to taunt them, even though the bible tells them they'll be taunted, and to turn the other cheek?

Well, that's some philosophy there.

Taunt, taunt.

Sneer, sneer.

Nope.

Must've been before my time.

This sounds like bad legislation.

I think instead of increasing gas mileage through legislation, we should just put shock collars on the following people:

-Those against drilling for more oil.
-Those who have significant commutes.
-People who drive Jeeps, SUV's, Trucks, etc. and don't have a need for them.

Every time they bitch about gas prices, they get shocked.

I still don't entirely see why they don't market a diesel-electric hybrid. Diesel? Good gas mileage. Hybrid? Good gas mileage. Diesel hybrid? Insane gas mileage. As an added bonus, you could sell it tuned to run on biodiesel.

There's a reason freight trains are diesel electric--it is a very economical way to operate without compromising power. A biodiesel hybrid is as close to unicorn farts as you can get--using current technology.

Hell, because the electric motor is buffering the power transfer, you wouldn't even get the belches of black smoke older diesels make when you go up a hill or start to accelerate.

And how the fuck are you going to determine what I need? Are you one of those sneering prickstains who sees someone driving a big SUV by themselves, or a smaller Jeep on dry pavement, and assumes for the sake of your goddamned smug superiority that the driver has no recurring need for that extra volume or capability, other than to parade their shameless, overindulgent consumerism?

We can't all own fleets of vehicles so we always have one tailored to the needs of the moment. It snows at least 4 months out of the year here, and that tiny woman you see in a suburban may have just dropped off 6 kids for football practice. You don't fucking know, and you only need to concern yourself with your own personal habits anyway.

It's just a simple formula of figuring out how many atoms you're made up of, how much space they occupy, and how much energy it takes to transport those atoms at reasonable speeds of 45-50 MPH (75 on the interstate).

And, all that's required, is this...

1. 85 MPH or more; you have to be able to pass in under 1/3 of a mile.
2. You also have to be able to accelerate - usually uphill - to those speeds such that you spend less than 4 seconds (stopping distance at freeway speeds) below the speed of traffic less 5 MPH.
3. Your atoms plus the atoms of all the stuff you want to haul. Force automakers to make cars to small too carry anything, and people will just start buying vans and small trucks.

irrespective of the larger debate - if you are saying "yes we can get 50 MPG so long as we never get more than 50 MPH then that trade off sucks pretty damned large for people in rural areas. to drive to my state capital takes me something like 4 hours and that with me rolling down the 4 lane at 80 or more.

A lot of people around her commute into Memphis for work and I'm pretty sure they don't want a 2 hour commute each way, even if they do save gas.

that doesn't mean i'm all a flutter over "penismobiles" or the SoccerMomTank but I don't think we need to all stack up 40-deep around great urban centers in order to avoid wasting half of every day driving back and forth either.

Remember when people actually understood other people as thinking beings and not easy political stereotype strawmen?

Yeah. Me neither.

OH, LAWD, HAVE MERCY!!!! HE REALLY IS GONNA PUT GAS IN MY CAR!!!!!!

It's the day of Jubilo!

You might as well buy one of these.

This criticism might sting more if not for all the times you've ranted on about the left.

Regardless, you can't honestly deny there isn't a fair deal of knee jerk anti-conservationism around here from some of the more rabid right-wingers.

Unless you drill and refine your own oil, your personal habits in regards to resource consumption are relevant to me.

As I said though, it's only a problem if you bitch about gas prices. If you do and you're driving a fucking SUV, or you're against drilling for more oil, or you commute several hours to work, you're part of the damn problem, and you can go give a blowjob to a handgun.

So those people who legitimately need an SUV? Still part of the problem? Still no right to bitch? Fuck off.

Who might they be?

Anyone who ever needs to haul a boatload of kids, carry a bunch of light cargo, tow something, and do any of the above over something other than dry pavement. Your observations in traffic aren't enough to prove that someone doesn't need their SUV. The goal is not having the absolute minimal vehicle for the usage of the moment, but to own one vehicle that does everything you might need.

Christians are people. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that they've become anything else. They're on the way to becoming something else but...

Your sneering sarcasm again shows you mock what you don't understand.

<pats dicky on the head, smiles condescendingly>

not nearly as much as you think - and then almost entierly about attitudes like this rather than their actual policy views.

Most of my anti-left commentary has to do with debunking the bullshit the left claims to be true of the right. I've gotten more and more when I don't like shallow reasoning and shitty argumentation even when it's coming from people who's positions I agree with.

to pretty much exactly the same extent that lefties accept the party line green-weenie position uncritically (that would be the folks who still cling fervently to the AGW true believer position, for instance)

In any case, your question presumes an inherent conflict between conservation and consumerism. It's possible to support both.

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Last I checked this is still the United States. So, who in the fuck are you exactly to be judging what anyone needs or doesn't need to drive?

It is none of your fucking business and it is definitely none of the governments business either.