Smoking on campus

Fuck your obsession with the cancer causing aspect...you keep shoving that out there like I've even said one word about being concerned about cancer from secondhand smoke.

I have immediate and sometimes scary reactions to cigarette smoke and all I want is the ability to what I have to without getting ill. I don't give a fuck if there are smoking areas a good distance away from doorways, walkways or places like that. Lazy fuckers won't go over there to smoke though...they will do it right in front of the door, right next to a fucking no smoking sign.

I have no problems with considerate smokers...it's the fucking entitled shitstains I have an issue with.

speaking of entitled shit stains...

The hospitals here won't even allow visitors to stand out in the parking lot and smoke. They have to get in their cars. Their employees can't even smoke in their cars on hospital property.

I have the same reaction to the colognes and perfumes, but you don't hear me calling for a ban on them.

And remember: I don't smoke. I vape.

The telling part is the ban on e-cigs. This is social engineering, folks.

lady i interviewed with this morning asked if i was a smoker. i'm guessing i didn't get that job. i think that's so dumb. the job doesn't offer health insurance, so i wouldn't be costing them any money, and if you can't smell it on me and have to ask, what does it matter?

Couldn't you just say that you quit*?


*Leaving out the part that you quit twenty minutes ago, and plan on picking it back up in another 30?

i guess i could have, but i did not think that fast.

You should have responded with "none of your f*#king business."

Unless the job is a personal caregiver or something of that sort, I can't even begin to imagine why they would need to know that kind of information.

Personal preference, and that's their right as an employer. Or, it could be poor management. An acquaintance of mine refuses to hire smokers. Not because it's against policy to do so, but because rather than enforce the company policy on smoke breaks, he'd rather just not hire smokers. He thinks it makes his job easier by allowing him to worry about one less thing.

What kind of business does he do?

Most smokers I know only take two smoke breaks outside their lunchtime - one in the morning and one in the afternoon.

And, regardless of where the business takes place, I don't think anyone can smoke inside any public buildings these days.

Well hell, they're gonna see applicants to that school drop by about 80%. I personally used benzos to manage my stress in college, but it was like every other person I passed at the doors or on campus was smoking...including the professors. (And as an aside, I'm not sure everything THEY were smoking in public, was legal). Take that mofos. Now you have to vote Ron Paul.

And so you realize that many of these universities are private facilities and thus can institute smoking bans if they so wish, regardless of whether or not it gets your panties in a twist?

That is completely untrue. We have the right to voice our opinions and ask they change their policies, though we should not expect they listen to our requests. Why do you suddenly disagree with the First Amendment?

I don't have the same health problems as Tamar does, but my reaction to tobacco smoke is the same regardless. My throat literally constricts as soon as a smoker blows a cloud of smoke my way.

So, anyone have a reasonable explanation why some states, businesses, schools, and other entities have banned e-cigs which emit only water vapor and don't harm anyone?

If it's to "save people from themselves," is caffeine next?

Yeah, here's one: They don't give a shit about health -- yours or anyone else's. What they want to eradicate is the "classic American tough guy" image. If e-cigarettes were shaped like Hello fuckin' Kitty they'd not only have no problem with them, they'd encourage students to use them.

To be accurate, however, e-cigs don't emit water vapor. It's vapor, but it's some kind of alcohol vapor, not water.

A more stealthy nicotine source would be snus. Smokeless and spitless. But fuck being stealthy. These busybody cunts need the concepts of individuality and freedom smashed into their fucking faces in huge brick doses.

I really don't think so. They already claim that the e-juice being available in fruit flavors like cherry or apple is "marketing to children." Because, of course, adults don't like cherry or apple flavoring.

Fucking Nazis...every one of them.

That's their official excuse, but I think we all know it's bullshit. I only just saw e-cigarettes available retail for the first time just about 5 or 6 months ago, and none of the packaging or print marketing looks like anything that could possibly appeal to kids.

Nah, I still say it's the Humphrey Bogart/John Wayne image they aim to eradicate. If it looks like a cigarette, they'll try to ban it. Doesn't matter how safe it is or how uninteresting it is to kids.

Minor related note. I started smoking when I was 19. Experimented with it when I was 17 and it didn't take. Tried it again two years later. I've been a pack a day smoker for 17 years, to the point where I now have a thick ass callous on the pad of my right thumb from... probably thousands of lighters I've used in that time. I'm done with analogue cigarettes.

I started smoking at 13 and progressed to 2 packs a day by college. That's over 25 years of 2 pack-a-day smoking with just a few "stopping" breaks of 6 months or less. It was well past time for me to quit.

E-cigs are literally going to extend my life. Fuck those bastards who are so disgusted by simply seeing someone else enjoying themselves that they might legislate this life saver away from me.

There's a "Plan B" product which I've tried just tonight and which I think is going to go into the jacket/shirt pocket right along the e-cigarette, and that's the snus thing I mentioned a little while ago in this thread. I picked up two tins of Camel Snus tonight for $2.75 each -- that's got to be a promo price, I have no doubt -- and I've had one in for close to an hour. I got one "Mellow" flavor and one "Robust." I haven't tried "Robust" yet, but the mellow version is just that -- very mellow, about 8mg of nicotine per portion.

It's a lot like dip, except that because the tobacco is pasteurized rather than fermented, there's no need to spit. Just stick it up in there and practically forget about it for the hour (or two?) that it lasts, then drop the used pouch in the trash. I think it will turn out to be an excellent go-to in those times and places where the biofascists won't let you even get away with an e-cig just based on its looks. (Of course, you can also vape in a bathroom and you won't get caught, since vapor won't tattle on you like smoke will.)

you're not in a wheel chair... cross the street.

And take your stinking cologne/kfc/BO with ya

But... but... BUT!... if he did that, he couldn't use guilt and social pressure as levers with which to bully you into living the way he thinks you should!

yup, my smoke stik is knocking about 2/3s of my tobacco habit away...
just for kicks, i used it on the bus today... no one even noticed

fuck guilt and social pressure.
I'm outside and my butts are field stripped then pocketed.

ON a positive note... the KFC in Brampton (where I was today) has been turned into a Thai place.
Smells like ginger now

Tamar and Timmy have a point. If people choose to smoke, that's their choice. We all grew up on the "Just Say No" deal and are taught the risks of smoking from preschool. but it's not right that everyone else who chooses not to smoke have to be subjected to that. There are smoking areas for that purpose.

That aside, I don't doubt that there are some folks who are pushing smoking bans just because of morality reasons, or else there'd be no reason to ban e-cigs that run on water, IIRC or smoking in one's own car. Those are the douchebags that need to go DIAF.

The vapor is water and glycerin. The nicotine you inhale is instantly absorbed.

As a possibly interesting aside, I have non-smoking friends who have commented positively on my electronic cigarette to the effect that they find what little scent the vapor produces to be actually very pleasant.

I've heard the same comment. My wife can't tolerate smoke, but she has no problem with the e-cig.

I've heard the scent described as "a little like hazelnut coffee". Doesn't taste like that to me, but as long as people aren't bitching at me about it, I don't give a rat's ass what it smells like to them.

One of coworkers says it smells like vanilla, but it doesn't taste like vanilla to me.