Star Trek XII - May 17 2013 and in 3D

Forget Jar Jar Abrams being given a second outing. TNG still needs a "Star Trek: The Search for Data's Parts", to fix the mistakes of Nemesis.

Since everybody has their own opinion, here's mine. Both were thoughtful scenes, but overall, I thought that TNG episode sucked, as did 90% of TNG. TNG has not stood the test of time with me. Between TNG, VOY, and ENT, I can't decide which one sucked the biggest donkey dick. Only DS9 has held up for me.

Now, for a weekly TV series, those episodes might have been fine, but do a major motion picture like that and it will be craptacular rather than spectacular and that will be the death knell of the Trek film franchise. For it to be successful, the film can be thoughtful and thought provoking, but it's also going to have to be action packed and visually exciting. Had Gene Roddenberry done TMP without the pre-existing TOS series and established fan base, it would have tanked and there never would have been another Star Trek film. That established fan base was what brought movie goers back into the theaters for TWOK and that one was probably the best of all of the TOS-based films.

For a reboot and potential setup for more films, NuTrek did a reasonable job of fulfilling those requirements. The destruction of Vulcan and Nero's quest for revenge were thought provoking. I felt empathy for the Vulcans and Spock. The space battles and the hand to hand combat and sword fight on the drill and in the Romulan mining ship were visually exciting.

Could NuTrek have been better? Absolutely! Could it have been worse? Absolutely! It could have been far worse. For a first film by new producers and handlers, it didn't do a bad job at all. Its box office success attests to the fact that it satisfied a whole new generation of fans. It might not have satisfied you, but you were not the producer, director, script writer, or anything else to do with it. If you think you can do better, by all means, write a script and submit it to J.J. Abrams for consideration.

TOS had some thought provoking episodes to be sure, but it also had more than its fair share of cheese, camp, and even crap. The City on the Edge of Forever was probably one of the most thought provoking episodes of the entire TOS series, but if you try to remake that episode into a film, it will flub the box office just as sure as God made little green apples. no action, no space battles, and no clear antagonist.

Of the whole 79 epis of TOS, only a handful would be successful if made today, even just as a TV series, much less as a movie. Times have changed, demographics have gotten dumber, and attention spans have gotten a lot shorter. Thirty plus years later, TMP would be a guaranteed box office bomb.

Are you certain of that?

IIRC, the number one television show during the ST:OS era was "The Beverly Hillbilllies"

Was "City on the Edge of Forever" thought provoking? When I watched it with my non-Trekkie sister a few months ago, she said "That's stupid. Why didn't they just take Edith to the future with them? Same result."

Oh, wait. I guess it did provoke a thought, after all

I agree.

When you introduce time travel into a story, unless you make a big effort to explain things then almost anything is possible.

But I've been a Star Trek fan a long time.

And I can tell you that "City On The Edge of Forever" while highly regarded did not become labeled as "the best Trek episode ever" until more than a decade and a half later in the early 1980s due to something not related to Star Trek.

That was the highly visible revival of Joan Collins career on the primetime soap opera "Dynasty".

See, now there's that "Viewers are Morons" attitude again. To get butts in seats, it has to be good, and that doesn't translate into the generic action tripe that was Abrams Trek. Sure, that's one way to get butts in seats, but you can't then turn around and claim that it was actually a good movie, you can only call it a successful movie, much like Avatar.

I guess I didn't see much that was thought provoking in Abrams Trek. What you call thought provoking I call a generic bad guy doing some really stupid generic bad guy stuff because of generic sob story. As for visually exciting, well, you should know by now that that doesn't go very far for me, especially considering that most of the fight scenes tended to be kind of stupid themselves, the drill scene in particular because of the red shirt, Kumar's retractable katana, and the way Kirk has do dangle by his finger tips any time he's in proximity to a ledge with a long fall.

Not much worse. I mean, it could have been Starship Troopers, but really Abrams Trek is pretty standard fare for what Abrams has been producing lately.

So did Transformers.

Yeah, because I can't criticize a film without first writing my own.

Oh noes! Because we couldn't have that in a Star Trek, which is supposed to be about exploring rather than just about action and space battles. If you want action, space battles, and a clear antagonist, watch Star Wars.

And part of the problem here is that the attitude is that the new movie would have had to have been some kind of adaptation of an existing episode, rather than something entirely new, or for that matter than it would be impossible to adapt the older stories into something better. What's with this attitude that it either has to be exactly like it was in TOS or the steaming pile that was Abrams Trek?

Saying "it could've been much worse" has got to be one of the worst endorsements for a movie I've heard in my life.

So what? I can say the same thing about every TOS episode and film. That doesn't make them bad either.

Certainly doesn't make them good.

Most certainly doesn't make them worth the money and talent expended on them.

Actually, I still hate Enterfake with a passion! I only stopped commenting because I forgot everything in that show over the years.

Oh and this film will be shit like the last one was, not just looking at it from a stand-alone movie stand-point but also from a franchise standpoint. They should just let it die instead of dragging it through the mud.

Starhip Aeon's temporal transporters plucked him out in the nick of time before the explosion.

Ditto Khan.

All the heroes and villains are being gathered up for "savage curtain 2: electric boogaloo".

This will come out in the 2070's when most of us are all dead.

And thank goodness for that!