Ryan - not so awesome after all?

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Pylades, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. Pylades

    Pylades Louder & Prouder

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    Brings up quite a few points I'm concerned with myself as well:

    1) It's his 7th term. He's worked for the government his entire life. I don't have enough of an immediate knee jerk reaction to just discredit him but it doesn't exactly jibe well with his talking points...

    2) His scary, scary plan isn't really that impressive after all - minor tinkering on many issues and no defense cuts.

    3) From a libertarian perspective, he sucks on many, many issues (pretty much everything non-economic).
  2. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Republican Democrat

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    That alone should disqualify anyone from ever running for public office. I'm quite serious.

    It should actually be a consitutional amendment:

    "If thou hast never worked in the real world for at least a score prior to seeking office, thou is automatically disqualified from holding said office."

    :ramen:
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  3. Pylades

    Pylades Louder & Prouder

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    And here are twelve talking points for liberals - nine of them I don't care about but the other three are worth pointing out:

    You could presumably defend it with the "no tax increases whatsoever" argument but I just don't really buy that.

    Not really concerned about the argument they're making here but with the underlying point that he isn't planning to cut military spending.

    Nothing spectacular but still worth keeping in mind.
  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Meh. Over the next few weeks, he'll be the media's darling and it'll look as if he's the one running for President. Then the people running the campaign will stick him in a back room somewhere and tell him to keep his mouth shut because he's overshadowing the boss, inadvertently creating a vacuum in which everyone will take a harder look at Romney and ask themselves, "Why are we voting for this guy again?"
  5. actormike

    actormike Okay, Connery...

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    "These aren't the Republicans you're looking for."

    Ryan is going to spend the next three months proving that it's simply impossible to be a disciple of both Ayn Rand and Jesus Christ. He'll have to abandon one to prop up the other, and it'll cost him followers of both.
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  6. Storm

    Storm Plausibly Undeniable

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    Nonsense. Unless you think your own interpretation of each teaching is the only interpretation possible.

    :bergman:
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  7. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Enlighten us. :bailey:
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    evenflow Lofty Administrator

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    It's Grace vs Nature, YMMV.
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  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    A.k.a. "Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing"? :D
  10. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    I see alot of people trying their damndest to paint Romney and Ryan as fanatical religious zealots.

    Time for a new playbook, parasites.
  11. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Do you also see dead people?
  12. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    Just the one who responded to me.
  13. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Visual hallucinations noted. Do you also suffer from audio hallucinations?
  14. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    Piss off, old woman.

    Others can waste 50 rounds with you. Not me.
  15. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    It's been hilarious hearing all those Republicans whine about how having Ryan at the top of the ticket is going to hurt them in local races. Ryan was a very weak pick and it practically insures that not only will Romney lose but Republicans will now lose several house seats which they other wise would have won.

    Pander to the crazies and you'll always end up worse off.
  16. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Ah, so you hear her, too. Are there others?

    See, I thought maybe you'd want to explain why someone promoting a "personhood amendment" was not doing it for religious reasons, but I guess that's beyond your capabilities.
  17. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    The guy tried to get all hormonal birth control outlawed. Most reasonable people would agree that's a pretty fanatical religious zealot thing to do.

    Face it, the guy is just another big government right wing nutjob with a flair for religious zealotry.
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  18. actormike

    actormike Okay, Connery...

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    Yep. Support for a personhood amendment = religious zealot.
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  19. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

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    Being a Mormon makes you a religious zealot too. Just a polite one. A sickeningly polite one.
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    Rimjob Bob Classy Fellow

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    The GOP and its supporters have glossed over those contradictions for decades, since the 19th Century perhaps. Why should they affect Ryan now?
  21. sandbagger

    sandbagger Fresh Meat

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    Don't forget the racism.
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  22. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You're saying R&R are racists? I guess you'd know.