Combat Role standards potentially up for review

The best have a little pride in their uniform. I've never seen a Green Beret look shitty.

You've never seen many Green Berets outside of the movies then.

Now Rangers, Rangers go crazy with that shit. I'm talking Regiment guys here.

EP was in the Air Force. That's kind of like the military.

What Anc said.

I'll grant that one should make an effort to have their dress uniforms sharp, because that's what it for. A working uniform OTOH is just that--for working.

That's why the Navy moved away from the utilies that they had until just about a year before I joined to the camies that every other branch besides the coast guard uses...the folks who wore them told me they'd end up spending over an hour a day ironing those things. The camies, you can pretty much take right out the dryer and they're good to go. So far, the people who have bitched the most about the change are the ones that didn't do work in either uniform.

Or you know a lot of unprofessional Green Berets

I'll bet you dollars to donuts I've met a lot more Green Berets than you, no offense.

Not trying to talk shit but you are completely off base. Rangers go all overboard on their appearance and especially their beret. SF not so much. It's just understood.

There are few greater feelings than when you are out in 82nd Land and some 1SG or SGM gets you in his sights and then at the last second you just kinda turn and flash your USASOC patch and watch them turn and storm off.

It's not worth getting in a pissing contest over who knows more sf, I fucking despise SF worship in general, and that wasn't even the point to begin with. I disagree wholeheartedly with the argument that the majority of people who have good looking uniforms are not good soldiers, but even that has nothing to do with the fact that the military should conduct a little cost/benefit on women on SOF before asking those vetting programs to justify why the standards are so high. The most common argument I've heard is "why not."

Give me someone that knows 7-8 and can do their damn job over a suckup who knows 670-1 by heart and can look pretty any day.


And I say that as someone who memorized most of the relevant parts of 670-1 (99% of the people don't know what it actually says, so just quote off a couple sentences changing only a few key words and you can talk yourself out of most anything).

The new Navy uniforms are shit. I liked the bellbottoms with the ass pockets in front, and being able to wear your dixie cup with your dungarees.

Agree to disagree in that case. I'm just trying to bring the conversation back to the original point.

What you don't seem to understand is that Navy camo is printed in a wavelength range that sharks cannot see.

So they're pretty safe from shark laser attack.

Update

BLUF: SOCOM is already investigating how women can be incorporated into special operations.

Stopped reading once the author demonstrated he has no clue what he is writing about.

ConfederateSon disagrees: I've seen tons of them on two combat tours. Most of them really cared more about results than appearances.



I'm glad you've seen them. Now we know they're real.

He's right though. The term 'SF Mentality' comes from their (earned) reputation of not caring about the bullshit (and appearance is most definitely bullshit) but only about results.

Honestly, none of us are gonna change our minds about this uniform nonsense so it doesn't matter one way or the other. If people don't want to discuss the changing standards for elite sections of the military that's fine, but I don't want this turning into the shitstorm the Boston thread is turning into.

A shitstorm? On Wordforge? Preposterous, where would you think of such nonsense?