Papa John Paying the price for Anti-Obamacare Politicking

From Forbes.com

Someone should've told that fucker to stick to tossing pepperoni and shut the fuck up.

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Or perhaps people actually tried Papa John's pizza and discovered that it's crap.

Don't hold your breath on any Walmart boycott. People have known for years how Walmart is able to afford their low prices and yet they still shop there.

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Obamacare is a fucking train wreck. Don't go blaming the involuntary passengers.

Whole Foods is also catching a backlash. In fact just this week the Mayor recommended not vacating an alleyway for a project partially on the grounds of the labor practices of the main tenant going in, Whole Foods.

http://seattletransitblog.com/2013/07/19/mcginn-recommends-rejection-of-west-seattle-project/

What conclusion is to be drawn here? Obamacare is a goodness? There will be consequences if you disagree? Business owners shouldn't say anything and quietly lay off workers?

Nothing about this story is good news.

To me, the story is more like what we talk about here all of the time, which is: If you're not willing to accept the consequences as a business owner, perhaps it's best to shut the fuck up and serve your customers.

By taking sides as a business owner, you risk alienating a portion of your customers. If I were to make a commercial that stated, "Also, slavery was a good thing. We need more of that," I should be ready to watch my customer base drop as they find my words abhorrent and unsavory.

In an age where politics is almost a religion in its own right, making political statements can cause a serious backlash as a business owner.

That's why next month, I'm putting out an ad that says, "I'll believe whatever the hell you want as long as you're paying me money. Choose J. Allen Computer Services!"

I'm going to be doing all my pizza-delivery-related business from here on out with Papa John's. Because they have integrity. They believe in something, and they're willing to stand by that belief.

Well that's all well and good but really the pizzas aren't all that imho.

Pizza Hut pizza is gross, but it still tastes better than Papa John's.

Yep, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

Not quite the analogy I would've used.

Anyway, as a business owner you're in the business of making money. If cutting hours and laying-off employees increases profit. . .

Almost?!

Best of luck!

No place that delivers pizza delivers good pizza. That's a fact.

That said, I'd rather do business with a business that has some integrity.

There's a place not too far from my house that delivers very good pizza.

It's actually within walking distance.

If we're talking the Big 3, Dominoes > Papa Johns > Poke in the Eye with a Sharp Stick > Pizza Hut.

Yeah, back in Orange Beach Lillian's makes a damn good pie and they deliver.

But in general I have to agree. As a rule delivery food is subpar. The decreased competition (in that arena) leads to decreased quality. Add in the need to overheat so that it is still warm when it gets to you and it's a recipe for mediocre food.

This applies not just to pizza.

shootER agrees: Papa John's is too greasy for me.



Too greasy, what's that mean? It's like too much money, theres no such thing. It's like a girl too pretty, with too much class. Being too lucky, a car too fast.

Nope, even if there's so much grease it burns your throat like a bile burp, just shovel down the Tums, and keep eating.

Nobody knows like Domino's.

Well, sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But the rule holds. Delivery pizza -- just by virtue of having it sit in a car for 10-30 minutes - is bound to be fully shittified by the time you get it, even if it was amazin'-sauce when it was fresh out of the oven. It's not the restaurant's fault -- at least not by default -- it's just the nature of delivery.

Which is why it amuses me when a CEO or someone high up in the chain will make divisive remarks that alienate customers, only to have this look of befuddlement when it comes back on them.

True. Then again, being blatant about it is a good way to get the tide of popular opinion against you. Everyone knows businesses are out to make money. People get upset when a business actually says it. Every commercial I've ever seen usually involves something along the lines of "best value," or "I just love to save you money!" or something to that effect.

You start saying "I want your money," or "I'm paying my employees next to nothing to get your business," and it will backfire. People want to believe that businesses are pillars of the community, or at the very least that they're out to save you some money because they're nice, and I'm sure there are lots of businesses who do operate like that (I do, for one), but the goal is still to make as much money as possible.

Yeah, I hesitated but put "almost." That's for the 3 people in the United States who are unaffiliated.

Thanks! I'll let you know if the "please give me your money" strategy works! If it doesn't, I can always become a televangelist.

Our Dominos is about 6 blocks away. We get our pizza delivered about five minutes after it's done. The pizza is actually not bad, either, which is surprising. There is a Pizza Hut about a mile up the road, though I don't order from there anymore, because their dough tastes like sugar. It's disgusting. EVERYTHING tastes like it's been sweetened. It makes me want to wretch, which is a shame, because I used to like Pizza Hut pizza.

For me, our pizza ranking situation is this (we have 5 in a 3 mile radius):

Dominos
Pros: Within walking distance, cheap, decent, delivery
Cons: sometimes you can really taste the cheap

Pizza Hut
Pros: Delivery, cheap
Cons: Crust too sweet, greasy, sometimes rubbery

Cassanos
Pros: Fair quality, delivery, good menu options
Cons: Expensive, Used to be excellent (changed baking method)

Little Caesar's
Pros: Cheap, decent in a pinch
Cons: No delivery, limited selection

Richard's
Pros: Excellent quality, large selection
Cons: Expensive as hell, no delivery

They believe in saving a few cents per hour on labour.

I love Papa John's, but it is too greasy. Not while I'm eating it, but a couple hours later when I throw up in my mouth a little, and from then on until it finally passes out of my system.

Yeah the owners should've just STFU. Saying anything against your OWN WORKERS isn't going to endear you to anyone. Better to have just started cutting hours and switching employees to part time without the fanfare.

Assuming a few cents = $0.05...

18,800 employees x 50 weeks x 30 hours x $0.05 = $1.4m

2012 net income was $61.6m. You've just increased profits by 2.3%. Pizza delivery doesn't exactly look like a high margin business...

(All numbers from Wikipedia, and yes, I know it's very simplified)

That's three times in, what, a week? I seem to recall that there was a time when, despite many differences between us, you were at least one of those posters who were able to read.

I don't care. This smacks of, "Do not defy the grand high pooh-bah." Don't care. Fuck Obamacare. Obamacare is what's causing the layoffs and the cutbacks. Blame the dumb motherfucker that instigated all this bullshit, not the poor schlubs who have to react to it to keep their livelihoods going.

And why the fuck should they not? What, is it suddenly not their fucking business?

Hasn't affected my purchasing decisions in the slightest - I simply buy some whenever I have a hankering.

"Waaaaah, they won't go along with the dictatorial fucking shake-down! Waaaaah, they won't pay this corrupt fucking administration their protection money!"

Fucking sheep.