So I tried reading the Enterprise books about the Romulan War and I got to the Kobayashi Meru and it turns out Archer gets in a fight with this guy: Cuts off his arm and the guys husband gets really mad at Starfleet. I just can't imagine some queermo Klingon general rising to the ranks all the while taking it up the ridged poop shoot. Turns out part of the writing team is this fago: Who even made Trip Tuckers brother married to a Mexican fag and they have a kid. Then they made lieutenant Hawk a dainty little fairy Who was in a relationship with a Trill,. A big burly bear of a man with a bushy mustache. ^ Project much? Reading their books really feels like slash fic sometimes. Just leave out all the queers. THis is 'merica god damnit.
Only if they're hot. Although the self reference slashiness is kinda... well... gay. Queer Klingons kind of makes sense given they're a militaristic culture. Still, I always figured Romulans to be the big ol' fairies of the galaxy...
I was thinking more Royal Navy. Blood wine, sodomy, and the Bat'leth - or something along those lines.
Ignoring the blatant homophobia. ... Hmmm. I guess so long as he could prove himself in battle, I guess a Klingon wouldn't care if the guy next to him was into buttsecks. Still, from a narrative standpoint, three gay couples in a story set somewhere outside the Castro or NYC seems a bit much.
even in the 24th century? And when you think about it, if you stick to a PG level of intimacy(for the mass consumption types), is there anything really unbalanced about the cast so long as you write in a couple of females. Hell, make it a traditional seven and the oddball can be part of a poly marriage-that'd give you all sorts of fun territory for the personal tensions. Maybe a hermaphroditic alien, like the one Riker had the awkwards with.
From my short story "The Final Log Entry of Clark T. LeBlanc, Starfleet's Greatest Unsung Captain" (http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/1432319/):
If you judged only by the media saturation, you'd think the gheys were like 70-80% of the population, instead of the 2-3% reality. But a gay Klingon? I would imagine growing up a Klingon would be like living inside an NFL locker room. I can't see how the Klings would have much patience for a guy who's got an absolutely fabulous Bat'leth.
I think you're projecting a level of heterosexuality on the NFL that isn't probably warranted. Talkshow host Dick Cavett maintains that of the 5 NFL quarterbacks he interviewed over the course of his career, only one of them didn't proposition him! Whenever you get that much macho in one place, you can bet that a goodly percentage of it is simple overcompensation. I image that growing up Klingon would be like living in a planet-wide leather bar.
You lost me at Dick Cavett. Dick Cavett? He's so hot NFL QB's were tripping over themselves trying to hook up with him? But isn't this what the gheys always do? Because of their collective sense of inferiority & isolation, they desperately try to imagine that everyone's ghey? Even a fictional planet of bloodthirsty warriors?
I know nothing of the NFL, but as several others have pointed out, actual warrior cultures in Earth history have often had a very high appreciation of homoeroticism. Of course, actual gay marriage is a modern invention. Achilles would love Patrocolos and yet have his fun with Briseis; he'd never marry Patroclos any more than he'd send Briseis to battle. It's just our love of cultural normalization that says if you're gay, then that means that's what you now are, and it's all you can be, and your love is best served by making it as exactly alike to the kind we already have as we can. Which is fine, but don't mistake it for some kind of natural constant, especially when writing speculative fiction.
I realize this is just another Fleshlight troll rather than an actual assertion, but your mistake is in conflating the characteristics commonly associated with being gay in our culture with homosexuality itself. Considering that Klingon women act in ways very different from human, western-hemisphere ideas of femininity, chances are that Klingon cultural associations with homosexuality would be very different as well. It would actually be interesting to figure out what those might be...
I remember it was either in the 90's or 00's, it's been awhile, that they excavated an old sunken WWII German submarine, and they found a LOT of condoms. Hey, weren't no girls on board, not a lot of shore leave for submarines. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect those dots. Oddly, the documentarians didn't comment too much on that.
I believe German subs were also well supplied with goats, as the mess officers liked to provide fresh meat.
This is where I think people sometimes go too far with the "it's not a choice, it's genetic" claim. Same-sex attraction may very well be genetically or biologically determined. But what it means to be "gay" is a cultural construct that cannot be expected to be the same in all times and places.
BTW, if you're the teensiest bit homophobic, don't go to Andy Mangel's site. I went there looking for info on the Freddy comics for my blog, and he is ooouut and proouud. You know how proud Hugh Hefner is of his straightness? That much.
ISWYDT. Which is why you have to laugh at the “marriage is between one man and one woman” argument, given what a recent development that form of the relationship actually is.
Wait, what am I saying? Ben Maxwell, Apostle, Flashlight, MF, totally go there, he's giving out free cookies.
That's kinda the point. Cavett certainly wasn't what you'd call hot, but nevertheless 4 out of 5 NFL quarterbacks tried to bed him. Yep, you are correct; it would be better if all those ghey NFL quarterbacks hadn't always unfairly projected their gheyness onto poor strictly hetero Cavett.
Well, the third couple is from an entirely different story. The Lt. Hawk retcon is actually pretty good. It's not so much about his being gay, it's really about his surviving partner (the burly Trill, a security officer) resenting Worf for killing him, and learning to get over it after he transfers to become security chief about Titan. Considering how many redshirts die without anyone giving them a second thought, it was an interesting change of pace.
Yeah and then Fag Trill's not even good enough to be SEcurity and Tactical, so they have to bring in Tuvok as the weapons officer.
