The Time of the Doctor

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  1. PGT

    PGT Fuck the fuck off

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    Not as we have seen it - Clara clearly experiences the lives of the Doctors we have seen when she enters his timeline. If the dead Doctor was really number 25 or something then she would have seen all them as well.
  2. K.

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    But she entered the time stream of the Doctor before his future was changed.

    As for the Valeyard, if he was something that emerged between the 12th and final incarnation, doesn't that sound like the human DT shoved off to the parallel universe? Described by the Doctor as angry and violent, and someone who really has a need for the Doctor's remaining regenerations?
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  3. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    The TARDIS blew up while under the controls of someone who grew up being brainwashed by the Silence, who had shown a tendancy to unconciously carry out ingrained programming intended to harm the Doctor.

    River blew up the TARDIS.
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  4. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

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    Just because she sees them doesn't mean we're shown them. I guess it's possible that the dead TARDIS was there because the Eleventh died on Trenzalore, then stuff happened and now a future Doctor will die on Trenzalore (as opposed to it being a future death all along), in which case the timey-wimey stream in the TARDIS, when Clara visits, only has access to up through Eleven.
  5. K.

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    This does make sense, although it zurns River's on-off-psychosis into a bit too convenient a plot device for my taste. But either say, wouldn't it have been nice ifthe show had gone out and told us thiy, the main piece to the main puzzle of at least one whole season of the show, instead of leaving it for our speculation to guess it out?
  6. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    No... :unsure:
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  7. 14thDoctor

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    Nah. There were Silence onboard the TARDIS during The Lodger. Amy kept noticing and calling out to someone while she was supposed to be alone. Then the next episode, the TARDIS gets flung off course and then blows up. And you've got that "Silence will fall" voice before the explosion, which sounded similar enough to the emergency hologram from the Silence's time machine. The time machine that was powerful enough to interfere with the TARDIS while parked and unmanned.

    The Silence blew up the TARDIS themselves. either by planting a device onboard or by remote interference from their own time machine, before the crew died and it ended up on Craig's roof.
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  8. 14thDoctor

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    This is a poor rebuttal, especially considering you chopped out half of Packard's case.


    Maybe humanish DT outlives Rose. Maybe he loses his shit once he's alone and goes all "Timelord Victorious," just like the original. Where else is he gonna find a way to prolong his life, except in the past? :clyde:
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  9. K.

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    Ok, but what was River doing with that tube?
  10. 14thDoctor

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    Manually opening the doors, since the controls weren't responding.

    The Silence couldn't have been counting on River to blow up the TARDIS, since the TARDIS needs to exist for River to be conceived in the first place. It's a basic grandfather paradox. River was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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  11. K.

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    I actually went back and watched this (great episode anyway), and my God, you're right! So yes, that makes sense. It's just hidden beyond all reasonable expectation of viewer hermeneutics.
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  12. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Not to wander too far off course here, but isn't Romana still mucking about in E space?
  13. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I've been slowly catching up with the modern series online (haven't found any streaming of the old series but really Tom Baker is the only one I'd want to see anyway.

    I'm hoping/assuming there are no critical plot points to the modern series that i have to have seen McCoy's episodes to understand.

    So far i have just been hitting high points, episodes i've seen come up in twisty-wisty plot conversations, so I still haven't seen all of it. A lot of what gets mentioned on threads like (like -what is "The Valleyard"?) but i wanted to first get a "feel"for the three versions of the Doctor and the various folks who come and go (I also took a pretty serious tangent into Captain Jack Harkness worship and wandered off to watch Torchwood for a while).

    now, all that done, I rewatched The Day of the Doctor last night in the context of all that, and of the Christmas special and found that (a) it gets more emotionally powerful upon rewatching; and (b)the problem with the Christmas episode has a lot to do with following directly on such a very high mark.

    I wish i had the time to binge watch through every episode since 2005.
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    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

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    It's interesting to note, and I say this as a mere Doctor Who novice, but this incarnation was all flibbertigibbet and fluttering around seeing the universe, mad on tourism (especially around the time he dumped off Rory and Amy and had the Cyberman adventure with the guy he rented from). He got bored after a couple of hours of hanging out with his latest favorite artist, van Gogh. He's also been erratic about "being" the Doctor, most notably his little snit last Christmas special. So it's interesting that he spends his last few hundred years pinned down on some nowhere planet, on the precipice of total destruction, quietly and (im)patiently defending the inhabitants against whatever the fleets in orbit decide to throw at him that day, accepting that his grand farewell tour is ended and this is the last place he'll ever be. (Edit: Rewatching, he just said, 'It's funny, I've finally found a place that needs me to stick around.')


    As for why the Doctor didn't ask for help: precipice of total destruction. He couldn't risk giving any impatient Time Lords the slightest pretext to push for a return. So I imagine.
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    The BBC released a completed, animated version of Shada several years back, replacing the Fourth Doctor with the Eighth. It opens with him visiting Romana, who is now back on Galifrey and serving as Lord President of the High Council, and convincing her to come along and finish their adventure that was interrupted before.
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  16. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    Wasn't a rebuttal, it was a disagreement. This is a conversation, not a formal debate. :D