Candle light vigil for....nope, sorry, thanks for playing.

Depends on the jurisdiction. I don't support such additional charges.

He's going to jail.

First it's irrelevant if she was pregnant or not. Being pregnant doesn't shield you from force being used against you in this situation.

However the old man has a major problem. I looked up other articles then the one in the OP to find out more about the shooting. The lady was shot in the alley. Which means he chased her and the guy out of the house and he still shot her. The odds are she was screaming don't about being pregnant while she was running.

You can't shoot fleeing felons except under certain circumstances and it doesn't look like those circumstances apply here. (and you can be legally justified shooting someone in the back)

Being that he's in California I expect him to get charges for two reasons. One legit and one not.

Legit reason: He shot a fleeing felon that was not a danger to him or anyone else (since the alley was empty)

Non-legit reason: The anti-gun people/politicians will go bonkers over the fact he killed a pregnant woman, totally ignoring her role in the situation, and scream bloody murder over it. This will be another reason to restrict gun owners because we can't have gun owners killing unborn babies!! (That's Planned Parenthood's job!)

Everyone knows how pro-gun I am, and yet this is very clear-cut as not being self-defense. Shooting someone who's running away in the back is never self-defense. If pointing the gun at them is enough to make them tuck tail and run, it's still done its job, and this is often something that's touted by people like myself arguing in favor of private firearm ownership.

I wouldn't say it's never self-defense. It depends on the situation. Clearly someone running from you is no longer a threat worth shooting. But someone whose running from you to get a better location to shoot at you is worth shooting. Someone whose running from you but endangers another person is worth shooting in the back. Shooting someone who just killed five people and is running down the hallway with rifle in hand? That's worth shooting in the back. You don't know if they are running away from the scene or looking for more targets.

This situation? Yeah the old man should be going to jail.

Pretty well sums it up: he was

So, it's a living human organism, just not a true human being?

Do brain dead humans ever become conscious? Because human fetuses do...

Yep. I, too, am pretty close to a Second Amendment absolutist, but I have no trouble saying the old man was not justified shooting a fleeing woman.

Unless circumstances are such that the old guy can claim temporary insanity, I'd say shooting a fleeing person who is not a threat and who is begging for their life is pretty cold-blooded murder.

I'd argue that you should know better then to ask that question given you live in a leftist-mecca.

That's what really stepped it over the line for me. I believe he had every right to defend himself, but in this case, what he ended up doing was shooting someone in cold blood.

There was a big case a couple years back involving handicapped pharmacist, Jerome Ersland. His pharmacy was assaulted by two would be robbers, who forced the female employees into the back. Ersland pulled a gun, killed one assailant and shot the other one.

Then he picked up another pistol and finished the second one off. Once he did that everything changed, and he rightfully got life in prison. This sounds similar, and should probably end the same way.

Exactly that. Once the threat has been neutralized -- as in, once the aggressor no longer possesses any of the following:

1. The ability
2. The inclination

-- to continue to pose a threat, any violent action taken after that point, even by a person who was originally in a defensive position -- becomes aggression itself.

Example: If you walk up to me and start punching me in the face, I'm engaging in self-defense by physically fighting back. But if in the course of that I break your nose, you then turn and flee, and I chase you, I have become the aggressor at that point and can no longer claim self defense.

This guy is a piece of shit, as is oldfella for defending him.

Death is harsh - but she/they made a conscious decision to ransack and attack an innocent. It doesn't have to be "fair" retribution. it is real life, and peoples reactions are visceral.
He was hurt and probably frightened - you reap what you sow.
He may not be above legal penalty by the facts anyway.

Yep, and it's a distinction that is easy to see for most people. But we have a few Wordforgers making statements in support of blood lust. They are the kind of people responsible for gun grabbers.

Eh, it's the only thing they know how to do.

BTW if this woman was pregnant, posthumously elect her "Mother Of The Year" for supporting the "take your daughter to work" ideal and exposing her to possible occupational interests.

A healthy young female is more than capable of overpowering an 80 y/o man. Every moment the criminals were in his home, his life was in danger.

He chased her down and shot her in the alley. Would you say he was still in danger then?

Nope. At that point it was retribution for the ass kicking he had just received.

Ya know, it is possible that yes, he should go to jail, and yes, she deserved to die for attacking an old man.

Okay, that was pretty funny.

The punishment is not reciprocal.

Yes, and when they were running away he wasn't in danger anymore. Is that so hard to grasp?

No, she deserved a prison sentence.

Bad shoot.

They are the knd of people that are inevitable, that make up a huge chunk of the population. They are a not uncommon part of human nature.

Human nature is what is responsible for people who think that guns are not toys and that there's no need or reason to accommodate the paranoid delusional fantasies other people have about "heroically" using guns in self-defense.

Nope.

All she will be her whole life is a drain on tax-payer money and society. Whether it's the money required to house her in a prison or the multiple handouts she's going to get from government when she gets out.

Shame that the old man couldn't have plugged her and the man while in the house. He did the world a favor but it's gonna cost him his freedom.

I'm sorry, we don't kill people just because they cost money and aren't "useful". Take your cynical bullshit and shove it up your arse.

Perfect solution/resolution - everybody wins! Society gets rid of one more criminal and one crazy gun-slinger.

Oh I'm not saying we should line people up and shoot them. I'm just not going lose any sleep over a criminal who will never contribute more then is required to deal with her.

First time criminals (assuming they aren't batshit crazy violent ones) I'll cut some slack.
But anybody who makes a career out of it (no politician jokes please) is another story.
Character does mean something - in my world anyway.

BTW I might be ducking bullets from crazy people in about a month or so - long story but if I don't post on here after around mid-September, assume the worst. Or assume the best if you want to be that way - it's cool either way.

Ducking bullets?

Oldfella it's time to abandon your criminal family and friends and move far away.

Go shack up with Garamet or something.