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Ok, you guys are the ones making the claim so why don't you show us how many robberies result in murder while how many shoot outs result in injury or death.

You know the shoot outs are going to result in higher cases of injury or death despite your fantasies. But that is what gun culture is always based upon, fantasys. You know it, I know it. Just like having a gun in the home resulys in injury rates shooting up (pun intended) 700%-800% making your family much less safe.

 

I honestly forgot, since I haven't been to a gun shoot in over two years. But you're right.

I have no problem with OC, however. I know from first hand experience that will lay most muthafuckas out right quick with little to no injury to bystanders.

 

So there aren't a lot of murderous criminals with no respect for humanity?
Certainly some robbers only want the money, but if somebody is crazy enough to shove a gun in a clerk's face they might not be too stable and rational. Go figure!

 

I can think of several situations near my home in which store clerks shot or shot at robbers, but no innocent bystanders got hurt.
But have had quite a few situations where robbers shot unarmed clerks/employees. I guess that's a decision the employees need to make
on a case-by-case basis. But they should have the option and freedom of carrying/using a gun on the job.

 

From the thread title, I thought maybe someone started reading my blog. I'm disappointed now.

Sometimes this is unavoidable. When I worked at Subway about a hundred years ago, the cash policy was, when the drawer hit $300, move $200 of it to the safe, don't have large amounts of cash visible to customers, and aside from processing orders, don't count cash in front of customers. If the drawer hit $300 and there was a line, the cash policy is unavoidably violated. Sometimes an employee was able to grab a stack of $20s and quickly move out of view to count it, but not always. The best option was to usually just let the drawer go over until a rush died down. Although, the managers and owners were pretty understanding about this. That's not true of every workplace.

Luckily, I've never been robbed while working a register. If I was, exaggerated cowboy heroics aside, this is what I would do:

1: If the first words out of the manager's/owner's mouths upon being informed of the robbery are not "are you/is everyone okay?" the next words out of my mouth would be "I quit." With the possible exception of something along the lines of: "Fuck! Shit! Shit! Fucking shit! God dammit! (pause) Is everyone okay?" If management's first concern in such situations is not the well-being of the employees, it is not a work environment I want to be a part of.

2: If management starts any sentence with "You should have..." in regards to the robbery, the next words out of my mouth will be an explanation as to why I didn't do things that way, as well as an assessment of how unfeasible I think their hindsight-bias-laden suggestion would have been at the time. If their response is in any way hostile, my response is "I quit." To me this indicates that management sees me as incompetent, and this is not a work environment I find suitable.

3: If management in any way indicates that they think I may have been involved in the robbery, I will then indicate that I no longer wish to work for them. This sort of behavior tell me that management is distrustful of me or the employees in general, and creates a hostile work environment, and I want no part of those.

4: If management tells me I am in whole or in part financially responsible for the robbery, my response will be "Sue me or press charges. Also, I fucking quit." Because, fuck that, and fuck them!

5: If, as a result of this post, WordForge Administration institutes a "No Industrial/Organizational Psychology in the Red Room!" policy, my response will be "Ban me, Motherfuckers!"

 

So, so very tempting... alas, Packard.

 

Since anecdote is the form this has taken, I can think of several instances where I live in which store clerks handed over the cash and nobody was hurt. And I can't think of any instance in which an unarmed clerk was shot. Maybe the problem where you live is that the robber anticipates an armed clerk, so goes in guns blazing. Change the culture to one where most aren't armed, and people don't assume there is a gun fight around every corner.

 

No, actually, you're the first one to start making claims in this thread.

 

Change the culture? Great idea! Here's a good place to start.

 

You don't believe white women can be thugs? I would think you had a point if your gun culture photo was also a young black male.

 

Oh, I get it! Black people with guns = criminals but white people with guns = good guys.

 

Oh, I get it, you both read race into that on purpose.

 

It is right there for all to see. They aren't exactly being subtle with their racism.

 

Oh my god! I wasn't even trying to "race troll" but damn if you didn't bite on that shit. It reminds me of a Zen proverb: the Zen master of the temple was fishing. When he pulled in his line his pupil noticed that he had no bait. The Zen master replied "it doesn't matter. The fish will bite on their own volition when they are ready."
Anyway, the WHOLE POINT WAS APPARENT to probably anyone and everyone (except for a select foaming at the few) that a woman with a hunting gun has a close to zero chance of being a threat to our well being (unless we are a deer, coyote, or wild hog). But on the other hand younger skewing urban youth are very much a threat to their own well being and that of their neighborhood
and to a lesser extent any average citizen within effective range of their weapons, about ten feet generally. Now if there is a community where hunting nerds are shooting up the neighborhood the DNR (Department Of Natural Resources) and local constabulary will shut them down post haste. That said, thugs with guns are shooting up themselves and their neighborhoods on a daily/hourly basis.
So lets take race baiting off the table (best left to the professionals anyway) and focus on the general destructiveness of lawful gun owners/citizens versus those with no respect for the law might well be.

 

Dude, post number six.

 

I think (I could be wrong) that Dinner wants armed robbers to be able to conduct business unimpeded. They should be able to come into any business and not have to worry about somebody
defending themselves or otherwise cramping their style. I say lets double down and not even lock the doors. How dare business owners cause robbers any undue stress?

 

And if guns aren't bad enough, now there are pocket sharks, which are shockingly easy to conceal.

 

Pocket shark? Is that anything like a boxer bass, a pants perch, or a one eyed pike?

 

So you might think, but these pocket sharks could be a game changer in da hood. Who on Earth expects some tough to reach down in his pocket and pull out a shark? How are you supposed to react to that?

 

A shark, eh? I see your pocket shark and raise you my pocket Utahraptor!

 

Well, there is a big range of motivation from a robber's perspective. If you are talking a flat out killer with a gun, your good guy with a gun is often fucked due to being flat footed. However your guys who is using a gun for the purpose of intimidation has started from a position that not shooting someone dead is preferable. You have to look and see the reasoning behind the robber in this case. I would imagine in the case of robbing a convenience store today with a minimal staff late at night it would be a lot easier to just shoot everyone first and then take the money. Logically you have the element of surprise and if you watch the place enough you know where the people are. If you kill the people you have the time to take what you want. That is brutal and in the case of most armed robbers is not the way it goes. So there is a psychological barrier to killing another human being that is different from a robber to a killer. The robber with no respect for human life is one you do not have a defense against because he will have the drop on you because you do not spend your time prepared to be shot at.

I am not saying they will not kill you for the money, but I will say there is a higher threshold for killing a person than just robbing them which is evident in the reality that most robberies do not involve killing. In order to properly defend one's self you must take into consideration the attacker's motivations. This is why places drop money into a safe that does not open. It lowers the amounts of robberies because the thief cannot get to the money and most thieves pass up that sort of place and look for a target where they can get money without killing people. So even in the minds of hardened thieves killing is still a big deal. Just because a person is robbing you does not mean they want you dead. That is a very important thing when trying to understand the situation.

 

Dingbat brings up another point. Sometimes distraction is better than having a gun if you are quick and ready, or just need some preparation time. For example one night I am at this bar visiting a friend who is the bouncer. It is last call and he is busy helping people get cabs and cleaning up some things. The DJ announces it is the last song of the night and the lights go on. I am by the DJ and so is a really drunk asshole who insists the DJ keeps going because he does not want the party to end. When the DJ politely says he cannot and goes back to start packing up some gear this guy gets insulted and then pissed because he wants the party to go on. So he calls for the DJ again, and as the DJ turns to see him the goy cold cocks him in the eye and knocks over a table and is trying to get to his next swing. Now there is beer and broken glass all around me and I see my friend trying to get to the fight butit is going to get a whole lot worse when clumsy dick does his next attack into the little cubby hole the DJ is in. So I do the sailor moon thing and shout at the guy that I am going to punish him for ruining a good night in the name of the moon, and the drunk guy is all WTF until my friend gets to him and lifts him up and drags him out of the place.

No gun, and I stopped the fight dead.

 

And since the drunk had simply started a fist fight and had no gun himself, and wasn't trying to rob or kill anyone, the story isn't relevant to the discussion.
Good job, though, seriously. Your help was appropriate to the situation and successful.

 

Totally agree! In that particular situation the diversion worked. At a club here in Augusta that is on the verge of being shut down (most are violence magnets) because the death rate is getting to an unacceptable level and nearly every "fist fight" turns into a gunfight or vicious mob beating, not so much.