Gul's Delusional State.

Why am I not surprised to see Dul sucking Iran's cock? This deal with Iran is tantamount to giving aid & comfort to the enemy. Kennedy risked nuclear war to keep Soviet missiles out of Cuba. Obama bends over and lets Iran fuck him in the ass.

As for Dul's delusion that nobody is talking about eradicating Jews? He must not have been paying attention to the last 10 years of Iranian rhetoric. And Israel being an existential threat to Iran? I haven't heard Netanyahu talking about annihilating Iran and wiping them off the map. The Obama administration's treatment of Netanyahu during his recent visit to the US address to Congress was a disgrace.

The deal keeps the crushing sanctions in place for some time and allows for them to "snap back" if Iran doesn't fulfil some very strict conditions which severely restict its ability to deter aggression. I'm not sure what else right-wingers want - except maybe regime change.

A rapprochement with Iran is necessary if the actual threats to the region (ISIS etc.) are to be faced down.

Oh, please list their attempts and economic and political reform in the 1970's under Leonid Brezhnev. Brezhnev undid the decentralization experiments of Khrushchev. Later, Gorbachev blamed the post oil-shock economic stagnation of Brezhnev's utter lack of economic reforms.

There is no "snap back" in the treaty. You should try reading it. It requires the US and EU to terminate their sanctions and repeal quite a few rulings, directives, executive orders, and what not. To reinstate those would require the governments to actually vote to re-impose sanctions. Further, to get the full sanctions back in place, Putin and China would have to agree to re-impose them. Fat chance of that happening when Putin is about to make major arms sales to Iran.

And here rears the head of your other problem. Comprehension. I never said Brezhnev promoted reform. What I said was that under his leadership the economic crisis started and that it was that crisis that led to attempted reform under Gorbachev. So your claim that all was hunky dory when Reagan took office is a blatant lie and your references to Gorbachev's criticisms only reinforces the fact that the crisis started pre-Reagan.

Gorbachev talked. He blamed Reagan.

Gorbachev was trying to run natural gas to Western Europe but Reagan stopped him, and then the price of Russia's exports of oil, diamonds, and gold plummeted. (Gee, I wonder who caused that?)

Having undercut the Soviet Unions hard currency access, and while further sabotaging its economy with actual sabotage, Reagan changed the calculus of war by emphasizing high technology over shear numbers, on the advice of Casey. It was felt that although the Soviet economy was good at cranking out crude, cheap tanks and aircraft, they couldn't compete in rapidly advancing technologies, especially semiconductors, computers, and automation. This was an intentional choice by Reagan to force the Soviets to try and compete in their weakest area in a high-stakes game of extremely expensive military expansion. At one point during negotiations Gorbachev angrily told Reagan "You are trying to destroy us!" Reagan replied, "Yes, I am."

The only option left to Gorbachev was to try an liberalize their economy so entrepreneurship and innovation could once again occur (much like China managed to succeed with). However, his attempts blew up in his face, especially against Reagan's clandestine support of the Eastern European union movements.

Because you were hoping he'd suck yours next?

None of this changes the lie you told a few pages back.

Sorry, sweetie, I don't date troglodytes.

Not in all respects. FWIR, Soviet agriculture was in horrendous shape due to staggering mismanagement but the heavy industries and extractive industries were doing pretty decently.

"Dating" is used in the loosest of terms when applied to your unprotected truck stop rendezvous.

Wait... you insist I whore myself out at the truck stop, but then you started making kissy faces. Then when I said I didn't date troglodytes, you made it clear we wouldn't be going out to the truck stop for any kind of actual date. This would seem to indicate you wanted to go out to a truck stop and fuck me up the ass. Are you sure that's what you want to do?

If I recall correctly, gul pointed out that increasing the strength of the sanctions regime would not be possible politically.

If that it the case, what makes you think that sanctions would "snap back" in place if Iran violates the agreement?

In truth, the agreement is so lenient I don't see how Iran can violate it.

Looks like you aren't familiar with the deal.

Explain why you believe economic sanctions can be readily reimposed.

It's sad how badly the conservative element of this board has degenerated in the past few years...

Right now we have no leverage with European and Asian countries, who are all in favor of breaking the sanctions. If we move forward in the agreement and Iran renegs on the deal once sanctions are relaxed, then we have a clear demonstration that sanctions can modify behavior, and can get the other countries back on board. We can say that we tried it their way and it didn't work. Whereas right now, it is Europe and Asia that can make such a claim.

Keep in mind, too, that there is a time line for slowly backing off the sanctions. It's not immediate, and the framework for imposing them remains in place.

And what if European and Asian countries refuse to cooperate in reimposing sanctions.

The question to ask is how do we keep them from dropping the sanctions regime completely right now. The answer, of course, is this agreement. They aren't going to cooperate in a continued sanctions regime. But they will cooperate in an inspections regime with a sanctions threat to yield Iranian cooperation. You may recall that Inspections actually worked in Iraq, for example.

Yeah, it was not like they were desperately trying reforms because thing were going so great. Shop shelves were empty. People waited in line all day for a loaf of bread and there was nothing else to buy. So, no, things were not fine.

Chup says from the late 70's but much of what I have read and heard from people who immigrated here from there... Things started getting bad in the early 70's and just got worse until there were actual bread riots.

The sudden faith in the viability of a community economic system, whenever it comes time to shore up the legacy of the Lord God Reagan (All Praise His Holy Name), is one of my favorite bits of right-wing cognitive dissonance.

Gul doesn't care about government fraud as long as its Obama.

Did you stay home the day they taught ratios in school?

Are you nuts? We have no leverage with European and Asian countries because we've been stabbing them in the back for six years. Obama is the one who has been pushing them to end the sanctions, having made engagement with Iran a cornerstone of his foreign policy since 2008, arguing that we should work to bring Iran back into the world community and contrasting his approach with George W Bush's "axis of evil" treatment.

Gul is fine with the NWO conspiracy.

I suppose it's worth pointing out that every time you post something you didn't understand, you only look more foolish. Do keep going, it is quite amusing.

For those who missed the original post, it was pointing out that Federal Dumbass completely missed the meaning of the NWO speech, believing that Bush had condemned it, rather than embraced it. There is room for debating the wisdom of that position, but when you fundamentally miss the actual meaning of the speaker's words, you need to step out of the way.