I take it you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about because the 1st only prevents the GOVERNMENT from taking actions to abridge freedom of religion. Stick to something you know because you are out of your depths here.
What about the case of the Seventh Day Adventist who was fired by a Muslim-owned trucking company for refusing to drive a truck packed with 40,000 pounds of explosives into Manhattan and detonate it, claiming it violated his religious freedom to be forced to strike a blow for the jihad?
You're not supposed to ask someone's religion during the interview stage. Just saying, "we deliver booze, so if you're a Muslim..." could open the company up to all kinds of legal problems.
You don't have to ask. The applicant need only declare that he will not refuse to transport any lawful cargo out of any personal reason.
I can't think of anything I would refuse to transport for personal reasons, but even I don't think I'd agree to that.
See, I don't get this. To me it's all about personal responsibility. As long as the company I'm working for isn't breaking the law, I will do what they ask me to do. If by some circumstance, something they want me to do conflicts with my ethical or moral principles, I will leave that job, because I will have to decide whether the money is more important or less important than those principles. That is my responsibility. Demanding to get paid not to do your job, even though you knew in advance what that job entailed, is absurd. It should have been tossed out of court.
Why not? It's only what's been expected from drivers since time imemorial. If you won't make this declaration, you're saying that you may refuse work and expect to be accommodated.
At UPS a driver gets a territory (same with a postal delivery worker) and they are responsible for making every legal delivery in their area. I would say segregating deliveries based on the whims of individual drivers and then having a second truck and driving going all over the place delivering items the first driver didn'r feel like delivering is an undue burden and especially Financially costly to the company. His job is to deliver all of the packages the company gets in his area and if he refuses to do his job then he has just quit. Further more the dumb fuck probably opened the company up to being sued for failing to deliver the specified service which had been paid for in advance. Of course these two assholes should have been fired and, no, they are not entitled to one red cent because they refused to do their jobs. They shouldn't even get unemployment payments as effectively they resigned.
I could see problems. For instance, what if something in the package is unsafe, a chemical container which is leaking, etc...? The delivery person could say his reason for not delivering it was he thought it was unsafe but the company could come back and claim that was his personal belief and he violated the written agreement.
That situation can occur with or without the driver agreeing to set aside personal beliefs in the performance of the job. If a driver had a legitimate safety concern and was fired, that would be wrongful termination as well as potentially criminal activity on the part of the employer. I think the contract could be worded such that this wouldn't be a concern.
Let's have a look at their religion. The Koran only touches on alcohol three times. Surah 2:219 They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder Another translation of Surah 2:219 is: "They question thee about strong drinks and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness." The second and third mentions are: Surah 4:43 O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say..... Surah 5:90 O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper. Heck, I avoid wine. Beer is better. Interestingly, during the Mecca phase of the Koran (the first 13 years), drinking was okay. But in his Medina phase, when he had started raping and killing, Muhammed really cracked down on it, so the real prohibitions are in the Hadith, not the Koran. Sunnah Online on alcohol It's probably the bolded bit of this passage that has the truckers trapped. 6. Anas said that the Messenger of Allah cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought. [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah] This one is interesting. 13. 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying, "If anyone drinks wine God will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents God will forgive him. If he repeats the offence God will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents God will forgive him. If he again repeats the offence God will not accept prayer from him for forty days, but if he repents God will forgive him. If he repeats it a fourth time God will not accept prayer from him for forty days, and if he repents God will not forgive him, but will give him to drink of the river of the fluid flowing from the inhabitants of Hell." [At-Tirmidhi] So don't fucking repent! The fluid flowing from the inhabitants of hell isn't just any fluid, either. 20. Ahmad narrates that the Prophet said: "He who dies and has not abstained from drinking, Allah will make him drink from the river ofAl-Ghota (a river flowing from the sex organs of the prostitutes). The people of Hell will be perturbed by the nasty smell from the sex organs of the prostitutes." And how, exactly, did Muhammed know about that?
Both were people who refused to do their jobs based on religious grounds so its a good comparison. I do find it interesting that your moral compass on this changes depending on who gets fired. No I think most people would say the Jews were at fault for taking a job that they knew they couldn't perform. A person who has an issue with transporting anything on religious grounds should let the employer of a company know that from the very beginning. This is just basic common sense. I would also say the "religious ground" argument is just a bullshit excuse used by people to get out dealing with other people they don't like. On that rational back in my days as a carpet cleaner I could have refused to service any home of Jehovah's witnesses, atheists, Muslims, gays, etc or any excuse I could come up with based on "religious grounds". It's really become nothing more than an excuse for assholes and the world isn't going to stop turning just because you consider yourself a special snowflake.
A friend who, among many other things, used to be a practising (born, now atheist) Muslim has just pointed out to me that if they were serious about not contributing to the company's business with transporting booze, they shouldn't be hauling any other goods for the same company either, since they are still working with and helping a company they know profits from booze.
I'm sympathetic with the Muslim truck drivers on this one. For one, I don't think an employer, any employer automatically obtains all power over you in the workplace just because you agree to take a job. Second, it has been my experience that most jobs have "requirements" that are so obscure or understated that no reasonable applicant would be familiar with them or if they were take them seriously. IIRC, at Greenland AR. every Friday during football season the head football coach must dress as a pirate (they are the Pirates). Now I think that is pretty cool myself and I personally like pirates, but I can see where a veteran coach my say "I'm a professional with 20 years of experience. I'm not dressing up like a pirate like its Halloween or something. "
Ethics versus religion is an ever moving goalpost. Like the Mormons who did real estate business with Vegas gangsters and other epic sinners. The Mormons were against gambling, prostitution, booze, etc. but as long as things were "out of sight, out of mind" they didn't mind getting some of that money. Quite a class act even today: "Hey Ezekiel, I heard one of the elders saw our young James drinking a beer." "Really? Run him out of town! By the way.....has James' sister turned fourteen yet? My current wife Ann has just turned forty, and her usefulness is coming to an end. As you know I'm sixty, so I don't have much time left to waste."
Sorry but not dressing up as a pirate would be a "dick move." Football is (or should be) all about the young people, for the young people. So ROCK THAT COSTUME! Even in the military senior ranking folks will do "silly" things for special events because it's all about the team, not their insecurities or opinions. Last week there was some cancer charity event or something and grown-ass professional men with 20 years of experience were running around in a pink tutu. Yep.......pink fucking tutu's because they are dedicated to their team and the cause it supports. Now that is some leadership right there.
That's no different than the Christian bigots refusing to sell Plan B pills because of abortions (which it isnt, but that's besides the issue). Dinner's infamous Islamobashing streak aside, he is 100 percent correct in this case. Do the job you were hired for or get a new job. If the employers were stupid to hire people with issues with what they transport, then they deserve to be out the money for being morons.
