Germany's top companies have hired just 54 migrants.

http://m.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft...fnungstraeger-fuer-fluechtlinge-14323607.html

Just another one that I correctly called. After a year into the migrant crisis which saw 1 million welfare moochers flood into Germany dreaming of free goodies at taxpayer expense only a grand total of 54 migrants have actually found jobs in Germany's top publicly traded companies. The vast majority haven't even tried looking for work while the few that do get rejected due to lacking even the most basic of qualifications. The vast majority of those 54 people who found jobs were working for the post office.

The vast, vast, vaaaaaast majority are now being called Unemployable. Remember when the reality empared claimed letting in fraudsters and leeches would some how help improve the German economy? Nope, all it did was increase economic deadweight costs and drive up crime.

Another choice bit:

The Kiel-based Institute for World Economics estimated that only two per cent of recent migrants to Germany are employable. Professor Ludger Wössmann, director of the Centre for the Economics of Education in Munich, said his researchshowed at least two thirds of migrants can’t read or write.

2/3rds can't even read or write in their native language. Over all only 2% have found work with 98% deciding life on welfare in the west is just dandy.

Right, so the top 50 stock exchange companies have employed 50. What about all other employers?

Also, how many refugees have so far received paperwork confirming the right to work?

Finally, your own link, run through Google Translate, says that over 300,000 have so far registered for work with the Labour Agency.

So once again with the bigoted lies, whereby you don't even bother to read your own links.

But that's 54 migrants who have become productive members of Germany, boosting their GDP. Their GDP per capita may be heading into the toilet, but world power is by GDP, not per capita GDP or nobody would care about China or India.

Just think of the new Germany as the old Germany after pandemic Zika virus that filled it with lots of retarded kids.

This is old news. This has been said for months and months. The numbers are sound. However, in 10 - 20 years or so, the German economy might start profiting from the new citizens. Until then, good luck. It's a huge social experiment the Germans are facing here. I don't know if they are bold or just incredibly naive. Well, they let in people in need while others closed the borders. For this, they deserve some respect from a humanitarian point of view.

But Germany could have just taken in the entire population of Tulsa and El Paso and they'd have gotten good BBQ, good music, and nice neighbors whose only culture shock would have been blutworst, which the new immigrants would have to counter with something like smoked brisket or funnel cakes. If you want credit for taking in homeless people, we can send you some from LA and San Francisco who are at least employable. Heck, we could probably send a bunch of Amish over to their old homeland now that it's no longer a war zone. But no, Europe went right to the sandbox despite Europeans having stared into the sandbox for the past thousand years going "Holy fuck! Glad that's not us!"

Three German links. Just out of interest, can you speak German, or are you Google translating these?

In any case, bullshit. Astonishingly few countries have 2/3 of their populations illiterate, and these are all in sub-Saharan Africa. Even Afghanistan manages 38.2% literacy, and Syria and Iraq have literacy rates of 86% and 80%, respectively.

Seriously? The litmus test is how many migrants are working in the top 50 publicly traded companies in Europe?

Personally I'd be more concerned with how many migrants are actually working. The last thing I expect is an FOB migrant/refugee to land a job at Daimler or Shell. That's just not very realistic.

At least @Dinner got to make an ass of himself though.

In the 1980's the Syrian literacy rate was estimated to be 56%. Then there's no data until 2015, when it shot up to 80%. Now how exactly did they measure the Syrian literacy rate in 2015? Apparently the literacy folks are the only ones who can still travel freely throughout Syria, from Assad regime territory to ISIS territory and everywhere in between. They also must run down Syrian refugees in Jordan, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, and Europe, dutifully recording their data.

I'd like to shake their hands. They are truly the bravest and most dedicated researchers Europe has produced, and each one fluent in Arabic.

That's funny, because the UNESCO site has the data for all those years you claim don't exist. Do you ever get bored of lying?

I don't have a lot of time right now, so I will just say in passing that anyone following news and studies on this in Germany will recognise precisely this as the main issue for the current situation. It won't stay that way, but it's certainly the decisive factor right now.

Do you consider Wossmann a reliable source?

Yeah, because UNESCO has accurate data on all dictatorships. Their North Korean dietary data is the Bible on nutrition. Their data to 2005 put the Syrian female literacy rate at 60%. That's pretty good for Arab nations. I'm sure Assad will feed us anything that will bolster to removal of all Sunni's to Germany and Sweden.

Now, you take such people and try to teach them German. If they can't read Arabic, how are you going to teach them German? Give them an Arab German phrase book? They can't read either language. You have to start their education from first grade, but long after their childhood language acquisition period. Good luck with that. You've imported hundred of thousands of people who will go to their grave speaking only Arabic.

It's fun watching Americans misunderstand the world because they think learning a foreign language or three is a rare and Herculean task.

I'm glad to see you admit that your previous claim was false.

14% of Syria's population are illiterate. This 14% are disproportionately old, female and poor, i.e. those least able and least likely to make the journey. It's very unlikely that a significant number of the Syrian refugees in Europe are illiterate.

The decisive factor is that there are simply not enough jobs for people who don't speak the language and have not enough skills. These people have to learn German first, adapt to a different culture and learn some useful skills. In the meantime, they need housing and all other things neccessary until they can earn a living. This may take three years or two decades, depending on one's optimism and which "expert" one chooses to believe. The German language is not an easy one to learn.

Just because you guys don't like the numbers (and the messenger Dinner) doesn't make them wrong. Another problem is that a huge part of the refugees are not from Syria. Germany could deal with Syrian and Iraqi people alone if the Germans try hard enough. However, there are lots of people from the Balkans, the Maghreb and black African states. These people did not flee from war, only from poverty. I see no other solution than to send these people home. Germany can't solve the economic problems of millions of people just out of kindness. There are millions of people waiting to get into Europe to escape poverty and general misery. Millions and millions. Think about it.

Europe has closed the borders (Macedonia did the dirty work by closing the Balkan route, and Merkel made a very dirty deal with Erdogan), and thousands have drowned while trying to cross the sea. Thousands more will drown. However, letting them all immigrate solves not a single problem, it only causes more.

It's all pretty fucked up.

Who do you consider a reliable source? There is no scientific consensus when it comes to these questions. There is bias everywhere. I am biased, you are biased... Americans may not be well-informed about the details of European politics, but neither you or I represent mainstream opinions. Many, many Germans strongly disagree with you on these matters. Gturner and Dinner are completely wrong by thinking that Germany has freely decided to become a humanitarian superpower and "Eurabia" is on its way. That's nonsense. The German government made a decision, the rest of Europe disagreed and will not accept any more refugees. Merkel overestimated her influence in Europe and ignored the doubts of a huge percentage of the German population. Now she's on her own and has to deal with a growing number of Germans who are not happy with her "Willkommenskultur". And many of them are not even rightwingers.

And then there's the question of whether we should expect them to work anyway. Foolish Dinner claims these are all economic migrants, but the evidence has always suggested otherwise. These people don't want to settle in Germany, they want to go home. They are mostly not qualified for jobs in an advanced economy anyway, so who exactly would hire them? When I hire people, they need to have skills.

I don't know much about him beyond the fact that he is a professor of Economics at the University of Munich.

I seriously doubt there is reliable data for the last half decade. BTW I used google translate and an English language summary.

Many of them don't want to go home. Many do not even flee from a war zone, they seek a better life. The Germans want to integrate them, teach them the language... Do you really think that the Germans are so dumb to spend billions of Euro for integration measures when they expect most of the refugees to leave anyway? You are wrong on this one. Many Germans WANT the refugees to stay, it doesn't matter why they fled. They think that millions of immigrants are a wonderful gift, a chance for the country. Others want to send them all home as fast as possible. German society is deeply torn. It's a very heated debatte, and it is mostly based on ideology, not rational thought. Germany still feels guilt because of WW2 and doesn't want to repeat old mistakes. The Germans try to do better this time. Look at the rest of Europe, most countries don't give a fuck and even blame Germany for moral imperialism. Germany is not very popular in Europe atm. Even the Brexit has to do with Germany's role in the EU and the refugee crisis imo. It's all up to the Germans at the moment. There are elections next year.

What do you think of the reports that at least half of German towns are taking on serious debt in order to fund accomidations, food, training, etc... For the economic migrants? Merkel certainly seems very generous with other people's money but rather tight fisted with ones in her own budget.

Without a doubt the vast majority are economic migrants and not people fleeing war. Sorry, but being poor doesn't make you a refugee so they should have to use the regular immigration system and not commit fraud to try to cut in line.

And the professor at the University of Munich who's data says only around 2% have found any sort of job (most of that 2% work for government positions set aside for migrants too btw)? A year on and I am being proved correct while you personally are being proved wrong. Or have you forgotten when you denied and claimed importing 3rd world welfare migrants would help the European economy? I distinctly remember you using that argument.

Does new data showing how wrong you were and how right I was make you change your position or will you keep doing what you usually do which is

Well then, if that's the case, people are naive to think many would find employment quickly. See my second point about skills, then add the fact that jobs don't simply appear in response to a supply of labor. As you point out, this will take some time. Whether they are permanent or short term guests, we should not expect high employment numbers just yet.

No, not as long as people are forbidden from getting a job by law it's not. Even if some get a job anyway, that won't turn up in an official statistic.

No; that they're wrong makes them wrong.

Me? Wossmann, for instance. I'm asking @Dinner if he agrees.

I am betting that 5 or even 10 years from now the employment situation will not be much better and the vast majority still will not be working and instead still just leeching off of the taxpayers. That is what they do. That is what all past experience with 3rd world migrants do in Germany.

Instead of working they sign up for welfare, sit around getting radicalized, and supplement theor welfare income with crime. Oh, and breed uncontrollably so they can get more welfare. They find that a grand existence and publicly say only suckers work.

https://www.berlinjournal.biz/kommunen-fluechtlinge-wohnraum/

What do you think of that report, Packard?

I ask again, do you think his analysis is sound?

I'm asking yet again because you only quote the first third of it (and sometimes misquote it), the one that outlines the problems. He goes on to say that the refugees can be integrated, that he thinks they should be integrated, and proposes a list of measures by which to do that; he ends up pointing out that in the long run, economic benefits for Germany are likely if these measures are implemented. So if you are going to put trust in this study, you should support refugees coming to Germany -- while supporting the specific measures he suggests, of course.