And Nothing of Value was Learned....

No, I think that makes liquor a forbidden fruit and encourages excessive drinking when ever it is available. We should lower it back down to 18 and stop the levels of adulthood approach.

Okay, was just curious from your comment about an underage drinking epidemic.

The article isn't terribly well written and doesn't make it clear whether he was actually convicted or not. I don't know, I tend to be skeptical anymore these days because anymore it seems like way too many people assume an accusation is as good as a conviction, and this article doesn't really make it clear what happened based on what evidence.

It might be like that in other states too, I don't know. It just sounds nonsensical to me. Regardless the DA decided not to go forward so the charges were dropped & his record expunged. Well we hope, because there are several databases so you never know. He has a certified hard copy of the expungement paperwork so a bench warrant doesn't try to bite him in the ass when he tries to apply for a job after or during college.

Overlooked this before, but: no.

States already have laws about sodomy versus penetration and some countries only define rape as stick a phallus in a vajayjay, which means lesbians getting scissored or fingered and guys waking up to random unwanted BJs are SOL on a conviction. But it basically, if you can't prove consent,it's an attack. Pretty easy .

Insisting that all rape is equal and that it hinges on the nebulous, intangible concept of "consent" is a sure way to keep victims from getting justice.

I'm trying to imagine a way to lower the burden of proof for the victims.

You don't have to.

We as a general culture can begin with not assuming the woman is lying and that her behavior before, during, or after the attack has any bearing on whether the guy is guilty or not, because I assume most people here know that marital rape is a thing that happens too.

Mainly that we make it completely off limits and then the second it is available young people binge drink and go hog wild. Many European countries have a more measured approach tolerant of small quantities of yputh drinking and that tends to remove the forbidden fruit aspect.

There's that, too, but our culture sees booze as either something to chug down as much as possibles something that's the devil's drink and neither of these two extremes is healthy. Europeans in general see booze as a socializing thing and bars are everywhere and it's not some taboo. Kids pick up far more of what they see than the blathering their parents yap at them.

Dayton is really a bi black guy.

The problem comes down to proof which can be presented in court. I do not believe one person's word should be better than another unless you can show a pattern or otherwise cast some form of doubt as to why one account is more believable than another. We certainly should not institutionalize the word of one gender being superior to the other.

No, but neither do we need to jump directly into character assassination of the accuser, either, which is what still happens.

The girl Broke Turner raped that night underestimated her ability to hold beer because she hadn't drank in a while, but from the people that saw her at the party, she was hardly tossing back shots. And almost immediately when the story broke in her town, people would say around her (as she's remained anonymous) what a stupid ass she was for getting wasted, and what else could she expect.

That mentality persists and that's why creeps like Brock Turner think that they'll get away with it if they slip roofies to a slutty girl because of course she'll sleep with anyone.

That's how they've gotten off.

That's how Cosby's been able to get away with what he's done for decades.

That's why Roman Polanski still has a fanclub amount Hollywood elites including women who grew up in a time where they should know better, Natalie Portman

I know - he does really put that type of a vibe out - I thought I was the only person to notice that.

Though legally IIRC a person has a complete right to halt involvement in a sex act right up to climax.

After as well, since climax -- either party's -- doesn't automatically end the encounter.

Just dropping this off righ here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...d22235?kwp_0=201597&kwp_4=795483&kwp_1=397936

Oh, is this that case that'll probably get overturned because of the lack of any evidence?

Read it and see for yourself.

I did, and that's what I was wondering because there was actually very little information for all that was written.

The point of the article was that the judge who was quoted states that we as a culture have to broaden the scope of what rape looks like. 99 percent of the time, it's not going to be a girl getting snatched off the street into a creepy windowless van.

If that translates to people being convicted on accusation alone, or based on some redefinition of rape then that in no way serves justice.

No.

And yet that describes the case I was referencing.

The concept that I've been hearing about and agree with is http://www.antiviolenceproject.org/info/consent/]continuous consent[/url] and that if someone is so caught up with their own pleasure that the other person is too afraid to say no, that also counts as rape.

Still unsure how to prove it in court, though. It would be amazing if courts adopted continuous consent to define what is/isn't rape. I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

I'm not familiar with the case. Maybe one of our Canadian 'Forgers have been following this.

I am, however, familiar with the fact that our culture more often than not sets out to demonize rape victims first before any facts can come out on either side. Fuck, we had Ted Wolf here once claiming a ten year old victim probably seduced the 40 year old that raped her (and got off on the basis that, I shit you not, "She looked like she was sixteen" ) among the other woman hating crappy that was right up there with Dinner's Muslim hate.

No one here is saying to have a trial by popular opinion or else Jaycee Lee Dugard's stepfather would've been rotting in jail after she disappeared. But we can stop acting like the amount of booze she has is in any way an indication of whether she "had it coming."

To that end, we also need to re-enforce with men and women both that if you need to badger consent out of someone, you're doing it wrong.

I came across a Humans of New York about a girl who'd lost her virginity on a coin toss with a guy that from everything else she mentioned was pretty much a user, and then kicked her out the house once it was over. It took her years to began to get over that. While I'd say the guy was an obvious shit who thought he was clever, I dunno that I'd call it rape if she went along with it. I'd agree that it's proof positive we need to teach positive and clear conservative the in school, however.

Uhhh... Really? Seems to be the other way around to me. Seems that guilt is often assumed when it comes to the accused, and anymore it seems like a "not guilty" verdict tends not to dissuade this view.

I dunno, I don't see too many people throwing that rape accusation in Kobe Bryant's face anymore. From the other affairs that followed, it's likely he just stuck his dick in crazy there.

Roman Polanski was actually convicted and Hollywood would welcome his ass back in a heartbeat.

For every Duke LaCrosse team, there are at least a hundred Steubenville High Football Teams, Brock Turners, and other "nice guys" with "their whole future ahead of them," including the other rich brat who is allowed to leave jail to attend college.

Perhaps he could make a film starring Sean Penn, Johnny Depp and Chris Brown! Mark Wahlberg only blinded a guy, so he'll have to wait for the sequel.

I'm with you. Hollywoo only cares about what sells. The only real crime is not providing an acceptable return on investment.


*And just to be pedantic, Polanski was only convicted because he accepted a plea bargain. Throw that out, give him the same lawyer as Jian Ghomeshi, and I bet he walks.

Sounds like a liberal judge to me. An expletive may be inserted before the word liberal if needed. I personally think that he'd do well in jail, with "BUBBA". Know what I mean?