British NHS dumps fat people and smokers

Our health coverage is just a step away from their's. Can't ya just wait?

Not at the low frequencies expensive treatments are required at. It's why high-deductible plans are cheaper here.

Well he hadn't put up the avatar when I asked.

So basically the same kind of problem the US is having with the military-industrial complex, as I pointed out in another thread when the topic of socialized health care came up. Well, nice to know the US isn't alone when it comes to this stuff.

W.H.O.

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba

maybe it's just that it costs more in the USA to get lower quality?

They got a nudge program in he UK.

Seriously? Oh yeah, I'm sure Americans and Canadians are flying to Morocco and Colombia to get heart lung transplants.

That's what happens when you use a second-order Taylor approximation of bullshit to rank health care systems. WHO pdf

They rank Oman, and absolute Arab sultanate, as having better health care than Sweden, Germany, the US, or the UK. They rank Morocco, with a per capita GDP of about $3,000, as having better health care than the US or Canada. They rank Cuba, where doctors have to moonlight as prostitutes and where people can't even get aspirin, as having better health care than New Zealand.

Obfuscating bullshit. The point is that the average Moroccan can more readily get a transplant when needed than the average American. (Assuming transplant statistics are in line with general outcomes.)

Uh, no they can't. But they probably have equal access to leeches and witch doctors, which is essentially what the WHO study is looking at.

You're going to have to actually substansiate that in detail rather than merely linking to a long technical document, given your (to put it mildly) dubious relationship with the concept of telling the truth.

To illustrate what a load of bullshit the WHO rankings are, here is A New York Times article on the Moroccan health care system

Morocco's Health Care System in Distress

CASABLANCA — As dawn broke on a late January day, workers on Rue Sebta in Casablanca were busy picking up garbage, painting shabby walls a fresh white and planting trees to spruce up the surroundings of Ibn Rochd public hospital.

It was a makeover fit for a king, Mohammed VI, whose visit, to inaugurate a new oncology wing, was later broadcast on national television. But it did not do much to mask the reality of health care in Morocco, where even Health Minister Houssaine Louardi has conceded that standards of care for the country’s 33 million people are far from adequate.

Public hospitals are decrepit and lack doctors, equipment and medicine, and fewer than 30 percent of Moroccans have health insurance coverage.

The Moroccan government spends more than $5 billion a year on health care. It allocated 3.2 percent of its budget to health care this year, according to the Finance Ministry’s 2013 budget documents.

World Bank data published last year showed that Moroccan public health spending accounted for 6.5 percent of all public spending, compared with 8.12 percent in Algeria and 6.2 percent in Tunisia. Those figures include recurrent and capital spending from central and local government budgets as well as other sources like international agencies.

Annual spending per person averages $147 in Morocco, compared with $186 in Algeria and $246 in Tunisia, according to the bank’s data. [emphasis mine]

Whether or not the level of spending is adequate, critics of the health system say that resources are not getting to where they are needed.

“In Casablanca, there are the least catastrophic public hospitals in the country. In rural areas, many don’t even have any kind of medical access nearby,” said Dr. Mohamed Naciri Bennani, secretary general of the Morocco union of private-sector doctors.

“There aren’t enough doctors or equipment and the state is not showing any will to improve the current conditions,” he added.

On the day that the king visited Ibn Rochd, a university hospital that is something of a showcase for Morocco’s public health system, a woman was screaming at hospital employees for attention at a nearby blood transfusion center. She said her mother was in a surgical unit at a hospital half an hour away and she urgently needed to buy blood so that the doctors could operate.

“The hospital doesn’t have any blood, and the center does not have enough available blood,” said the woman, who gave her name as Nora, 30. “We donated our blood and have been waiting for hours and we still don’t know when we will get what we need.

“My mother is going to die if we don’t get the blood back to the hospital fast enough.”

A few miles away, in the emergency room of Mohamed Baouafi Hospital, a patient who identified herself only as Hada, 69, said she had been hit by a car. She sat waiting on an old examination bed with no sheets, begging fruitlessly for an injection to kill the pain.

“Our stocks are very limited. We keep them for people in extreme pain,” the doctor in charge, a resident trainee, told her.​

And yet the WHO claims that Moroccan health care ranks higher than the US, Canada, Denmark, and Australia.

A second-order Taylor series expansion (in the above WHO pdf) of bullshit produces bullshit.

tHE TRUTH WILL SET YOUFREE!

hahahahaha

And yet dickface Rick, the most humorless cunt on Wordforge and indeed of the entire British Isles, shall ignore you and attempt lame insults.

And yes Rick I know Ireland doesn't like to call itself as part of the British Isles. I'm just using it because I know you're a humorless cunt.

Ireland is not part of the British Isles? I think a while back we had somebody from England (is that still what they call themselves?) trying to explain the difference between Great Britain, Britain, England, etc.etc.) but I sure don't remember all the details.

It is. But Ireland doesn't like to use the term because of history. Can't blame them actually on this one. Brits were cunts to anyone that wasn't a Brit and that included the disgustingly drunk all the time Irish.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland includes Northern Ireland, whereas Great Britain does not or it would be one of the parties that unites with Northern Ireland to make a United Kingdom. The British Isles include all of Ireland and a bunch of other islands. The British Empire included everything in the Old World outside of Europe that wasn't Russia and wasn't one of the tiny bits already claimed by France or Belgium.

England, Scotland, and Wales make up Great Britain. England is made up of the kingdoms of Mercia, Wessex, Northumbria, Essex, Wessex, Sussex, Kent, and East Anglia, plus whatever shit they made up since then. Just to confuse people, they hid West Anglia in Mercia or Essex, but probably to the east of Mid Anglia. Wales was divided up into areas that can't be pronounced or spelled, so nobody paid any attention to its internal boundaries. They just know which part of the pig they're on.

Here's the standard representation



So Great Britain boils down to this:


And that's all you need to know about that.

That's right... somehow my original account got deleted.

Huh, Tuttle made a good post for once (then deleted it).

weve had a few server shuffles while you were gone...a few accounts got eaten. Hell, we lost nearly every post from the early days of WF back in 2007, aside from Tasvir's idiot Thunder Thighs thread. That one keeps popping up like an unflushed turd.

Welcome back, though.

I can't say I remember a John B.

John M on the other hand....

For some time now I've deleted most of my replies; within minutes of posting my good sense catches up.

I mean, what's the point? Trollforge's mostly irrelevant outside its 'dysfunctional family' aspects.

Health care is a right.






At least until budgets get tight.

So tell me how being priced out the market for private insurance is any better than a government rationing scenario. The only difference I see is one will leave you bankrupt in the case of a medical catastrophe.

Ten years ago I liked your posts less than I've enjoyed them the past couple of years. Have you become more centrist, thoughtful, or anything else you might have noticed about your pov?

Anyway, I'm still fond of the dysfunctional family aspect, it just doesn't much need what I have to offer.

And the other just leaves you without medical care.

Six in one hand, a half dozen on the other. Insurance providers already "ration," and they were before it became illegal to kick people off their policies when they had accidents or developed cancer.

"Breaking Bad" is a show concept that is only made possible thanks to our fucked up medical system. Yanno what That show looks like in Canda? Walter White finds out he has cancer and the government treats him because they have a centralized health care system, and no one gets thrown was into acid. The end

And yet the US has higher cancer survival rates than Canada, including uninsured people.

That's because a common form of treatment in Canada is to put sick people on ice bergs and float them out to sea.

If my private insurer won't cover me because I'm fat or a smoker, I don't have to keep paying them. Not so for the NHS; fatties and smokers still have to pay, regardless of how they're treated.

Also, better to receive care and go bankrupt, then to not receive care because the health service is having budget troubles.