How did this guy get his hands on a gun in Boston?

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  1. OmIsLife

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    And "ep2" means...
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    It means you are an idiot. It's a guy with his brain on fire, and accompanying text saying, "the stupid, it burns!!!"
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    The guns usually come from the states witg weak gun laws. I would like to see a real tracking systen and legal liability for every state whose weak laws results in a gun being used in a crime. We could bankruptcy several shitty states in short order and the dirt bags would finally be held accountable for theor crimes.
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    If we don't have a real tracking system, then how do you know what states the guns usually come from?
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    Actually most of them are bought legaly through an FFL in the state the crime occures in. The buyer then goes home and shoots himself. When guns are banned syicidal people just end their lives another way. In Japan they jump off skyscrapers.

    Most guns possessed by gangs were alsobought through FFLs. The criminal doesn't have a prohibating conviction, or doesn't flag because the state hasn't reported his conviction, or he uses a straw purcheser, or the FFL is corrupt and uses a false ID.
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    Oh that would be awesome! Another "certain political party" gets the presidency, the congress, the senate, the supreme court, the whole nine yards. :banana:Open the borders (that will really kick that diversity into high gear!) a complete gun ban (starting with the secret service and working down to local cops) complete pardon for all inmates at every level of incarceration, etc.etc.
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    Japan's suicide rates are every bit a reflection of their culture as guns are here. That's the frigging point.

    If Japan collectively decides to stop being given perfectionists, their suicide rates would plummet.
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    That's what I've been saying, it's cultural; ie education, personal economy, healthcare, and stable home. Culture.

    Guns are no more at fault for American suicides than tall buildings are at fault for Japaniese suicide. Trying to ban guns here is exactly like trying to ban skyscrapers there.
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    While I agree that guns aren't necessarily "at fault" for gun suicides in America, you can't say that any and all gun suicides would have still suicided if they didn't have immediate access to guns.
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    It's just a meme CNN told him to repeat.
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    No it's not. He's perfectly aware that there is a tracking system in place. He just doesn't like the fact that the police need probable cause to use it.
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    Yes I can: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

    And again, explain Japan. If suicidal people change their mind when they don't have a gun, then Japan should have no suicides at all given their gun ban.

    Yet they have more suicides than the US.
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    Maybe they change their mind when they are nearing terminal velocity after jumping, but we'll never know.
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    No you can't. That article doesn't say what you apparently think it says.

    That doesn't mean that at all. Japan isn't the US.

    Correlation...not causation. Unless you're claiming that the gun ban is causing the suicides.
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    You didn't even read it LOL

    And I haven't argued a voralation between guns and suicide in Japan, for you to so burry your head in the sand about it.
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    From the article...

    I could go on.
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    The solution to the Boston gun problem is more guns.

    It works for the State Department.
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    See, now I'm gonna keep thinking you're @RickDeckard .
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    Wut? :unsure:
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    That doesn't contradict what I said LOL

    Infact those portions have NOTHING to do with whether or not someone would still try to suicide if they just did not have a gun.

    YES THEY WOULD! The article points out that drug overdose is the MOST used method of suicide. Where are your cries to ban prescription medication?

    When you take away the gun suicidal people just do it another way, like jump off a high buildin. Gun control does nothing to save lives.
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    Yes it does.

    Yes they do. :shrug:

    You can't know that.

    What makes you think I want to ban anything? :wtf:
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    I'm fairly convinced OmIsLife is a bot, which is why he can't parse our unique BBcode, drops conversations when his logic hits a wall, and ascribes views to people they don't hold. He is programmed to see everything as a gun control argument, with him as the only bulwark protecting the 2nd amendment.
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    No one is claiming that reducing access to guns by the mentally ill would reduce the number of attempted suicides. That's a straw man.

    The claim is that reducing access to guns by the mentally ill would reduce the number of committed suicides.

    This is born out by American suicide statistics. Women in America attempt suicide more than men, but commit it less.

    Guess what the number one factor is for men's higher 'success' rate?
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    So is it more or less? Pick one.
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    You don't see the distinction? Women attempt suicide more than men do, but succeed in that attempt less than men do.
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    5 million people in the Greater Toronto Area-fifth highest population density in North America.

    At 27 to date, this is the highest number of gun related murders we've had in over 20 years, making up over half of the homicides in 2016.

    Despite our restrictive laws, it isn't particularly hard to get a handgun illegally here. NH, ME, and VT are all short drives (often on back roads and part time border crossings) from Montreal.
    Noteworthy is that we're also probably the most culturally diverse city on the planet...

    So, it isn't necessarily a question of concentration or ethnicity of the population-despite the recent jump seeming to have coincided with the condo boom and a influx of those raised in affluent suburbs. I'm not even sure it's about economic inequity, although it plays a part given most of our murders happen in historically impoverished areas...

    Interestingly, Canada's "murder capital" is Thunder Bay. A city of just over 100 000 people a few hours from Duluth, MN. Seven of eleven murders there involved Natives who aren't subject to many of the same regulations about acquiring guns or crossing the border.
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    What MAoHS said.

    Women usually will overdose on pills or choose less gory ways of attempting suicide that takes longer to be effective, and increases the chance of someone being able to rescue them. Blowing your brains out, not so much.
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    Singling out "gun related murder" to counter my statement on ALL crime wouldn't work even had you controled for healthcare and education, which you did not.

    And no one brought up ethnicity.
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    My source already covered that. Your point? Most gun deaths are suicide. Take away the gun and they'll just suicide a another way, like jump off high buildings as in Japan.

    Access to firearms is not a cause of crime. Population density, poor education, money problems, poor health, and broken homes are colectivly the cause of crime.
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