Fake news and Trump

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  1. Rimjob Bob

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ld-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/

    One of the most disturbing things about the rise of Trump, is the amount of disregard for factual truth, coming from the man himself and his followers. They perceive quality, mainstream sources to be liberally biased, so they ignore them. It's an endless feedback loop where they drift further and further from reality, and anyone who calls out the nonsense is just "one of them."

    I'm not supposing that any media outlet is free of biases and opinions, but there's a difference between having an "angle" and reporting events that didn't actually happen.
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    About 80% of the American public perceives the "quality", mainstream sources to be biased.

    That's because they are.
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    Rolling Stone pushed a false rape story.

    NBC has selectively edited for years.

    NBC rehired Brian Williams.

    Dan Rather's forged documents.

    Fake newsish liberal punditry is literally a genre of television show. With selectively edited comedy bits endlessly replayed as hot take highlights on legitimate news outlets.

    We've seen evidence of collusion between presidential campaigns and news networks.

    But now I'm supposed to be mad about fake news? Ok.
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    Unless you're a total idiot, you should be upset by all of it.
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    I'm just not buying the outrage of the moment, brought on because the media powers that be lost an election.

    If I was a liberal living in the media bubble I'd be pretty upset at my media for supporting a false reality matrix that has left me shocked and surprised that the election turned out the way it did.

    This "fake news" putsch is meant to distract from that. It has little to do with Trump, but meant to keep the prog proles in line.
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  6. gturner

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    Yup!

    "It wasn't that half of America saw through all our lies and deceptions, it's that Trump voters were tricked by fake news sites!"
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    Ok.
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    Weird. No one was outraged when young people got their news from the Daily Show for more than a decade.

    They were too busy embedding clips for the precious clicks
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    Actually, as someone who never watched a single episode of that show, I was. If you are proud of getting your news from a comedy channel, you need a punch.
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    Cool.
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    No. I'm just don't like smarm and dumbasses. Which Stewart and his audience had aplenty.
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    Holy shit, you said something I agree with. Which makes me wonder why you go from mainstream crap to outlandish lies in your news.
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    I am not proud of it, and there was often liberty taken for the punch line, but it did have a lot of actual information. If you stop there you are a moron, but it encouraged a lot of people to look deeper.
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    You do realize Stewart is an extremely intelligent and witty man. Yes, I know he has help, but there was a lot of improv and he even went after Bill O'Reilly in debate. I think he lives up to his smarmy ways.
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    Oh, he quite intelligent. The smarm comes from his 'Awww shuck's' denial of it in interviews.
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    Agreed, it's very disturbing. It's a bit like a mirror universe episode from Star Trek, watching people proclaim some of the most outlandish things as fact. So many either cannot or will not verify, but instead simply like and share if a story meets their own opinions. I had an argument with some idiot yesterday who actually said "I prefer my facts, so yours are clearly wrong." She had no awareness of how revealing such a statement might be. Then I saw another person talking about infowars who used page views as evidence that their statements were true. Sorry, facts are not subject to a popularity contest!
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    Oh, by the way, @evenflow, the difference between your list and the point Rob Matter brings up is that those sources admitted the mistake and made amends. Ron's talking about media intentionally lying, which is not the same thing as making mistakes. So yeah, there's a good reason to be against propaganda masquerading as news.
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    No, you should not be upset by all of it. It should inspire you to research the internet to get as much information as you can, to draw your own conclusions.
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    Amends? The same people telling us that Trump wouldn't win are the same people telling us what will happen next. They still have jobs. We don't have real news, forget fake news.

    When "journalists" aren't tweeting out things like this, I'll worry about fake news.
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  20. Tuttle

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    Caveat emptor.

    Critical thinking looks to have taken a dive from already low levels.

    But bullshit filters have only recently come onto the market, as 'flow pointed out.

    I'll agree with Rob M. that it's an important distinction between outright lies or misstatements about facts (of which nobody approves) or slant in coverage or bias in selection of what constitutes "news" (which are more commonplace, and apparently an accepted part of modern journalism).

    But "lies" and "facts" seems to be a sliding scale for many, or at least subjective and subject to selective memory - promise to close Guantanamo (but was too hard)? promise to build a wall (but it turns out some will be a fence with drones, and other stretches have trip-sensors)?
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    That single tweet is the embodiment of everything I've been complaining about concerning the media.
    It's not the left or right in the Country that are the problem, it's the damn media that cynically works both of them into a frenzy for ratings and revenue.
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    Disagree - it's not the media. It's our unquenchable thirst for what the media offers that is the problem. It's like blaming the drug dealers for the US drug problem. If there was no demand, there would be no consumption, and the industry would crumble.
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    The ultimate goal of the Ctrl-Left is to outlaw all dissenting opinion.


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    Real news:



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    Ergo, moderate Republicans are Fascists... :facepalm:

    Perhaps assuming the left is consistent is neither helpful nor rational.
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    A radical leftist wants to control the media.

    A moderate leftist wants a radical leftist to control the media.

    Just kidding.

    There are no moderate leftists.
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    Wow.

    That bitch needs to be fired like this one was.

    >EDIT<

    Upon further review, it seems that she works for a company that encourages that kind of "reporting", so I'm not sure if you'd call what she does "journalism".
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    There's also a high number of Americans who take the Bible literally. Am I supposed to sympathize?

    It's not even necessarily propaganda. The link in my OP describes fake news intended to be satire, or a decoy to embarrass the fools who believe. The problem is, people are too dumb to know the difference.

    Shall we blame American education?
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    No, you're just supposed to say "President Trump" because 80% and 8% are very, very different things in a democracy.
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