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  1. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    I suggest you read about haplotypes and clades because, yes, that is how race is defined and how it can be empirically tested.

    I get it that you wish race didn't exist but much like wishing you were female instead of male your wishes do not reflect reality.
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  2. Captain X

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    No, no, the party insists that race exists, and that it is part of peoples' identity, so if you ignore it, you are racist for ignoring that part of their identity. Of course, the party also insists that race does not exist and there is no scientific basis for determining it, so you are racist for acknowledging that race exists. :diacanu:
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  3. Nova

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    again, it's not complicated for those not blinded by their assumptions -
    Culture and ethnicity are real and can be distinctive and often provoke the "hate the others" sort of bigotry that plagues our society.

    Biological "race" is simply a paradigm those who feel the need to hate the "other" takes refuge in.

    In other words, you can imagine that race is a real thing, and look down on or hate folks of a "lesser race" and insofar as it panders to your bigotry, "race" is a real thing TO YOU and therefore when a liberal calls you racist, that's what is being referenced. Because in your bigoted mind "race" is a thing that matters.

    That does not, however, make it an objective thing apart from that bigotry.

    Moreover, one can be quite bigoted without being "racist" because bigotry is often directed at groups of people - Muslims, Hispanics, gays, whatever - that are not and never have been considered a "race" in the same way blacks once were.
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    Or an important inseparable aspect of a person's identity, as the regressive left would say, when not engaging in yet another example of doublethink.

    Or just to shut you up because they don't like what you're saying.

    It seems to matter a lot more to people who are believers in identity politics.

    And doublethink engaged. :diacanu:

    Well, yeah. Bigotry is "a term used to describe a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (e.g. racial or religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical." :shrug: That's why it tends to be my word of choice when describing members of the regressive left. :diacanu:
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  5. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    There's no doublethink. You're talking about two different things. Racial theories are a vestige of debunked 19th-century pseudoscience. Racial identity is a consequence of living in a society in which race and culture are often made inseparable. In a hypothetical society that didn't divide people by race, racial identity would be meaningless.

    Make no mistake too, the first and only racial division that matters is white/not-white. Everything else stems from that, which should be a clue as to how flawed the whole thing is.
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    And part of your doublethink is in thinking this is based on 19th century pseudoscience rather than me poking fun at the two completely incompatible standards that the regressive left holds.

    Which just shows racism toward white people and that you're living in some kind of a fantasy world rather than in the real one. :diacanu:
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    I never said your thinking was based on 19th-century pseudoscience. :facepalm: I'm saying the standards aren't incompatible. Racial identity is a product of racism, not biological race. Race isn't real; racism is.


    Ever notice how there was no conception of race in the modern sense of the word before the 19th century? That's because prior to that the relevant division was Christian and non-Christian (usually "heathen" or "savage"). Slavery was justifiable because the enslaved were heathens. The Indians had to be removed because savages couldn't live with civilized, Christian people. Etc. This all fell apart once Christianity became established among the slave population. Some other justification was needed, so the concept was born of a superior, paternal "white" race who were the natural masters of the inferior, childlike dark skinned races. Eventually this acquired a veneer of scientific respectability but it was never anything more than hogwash. Fantasy, as you say. Unfortunately, we are all still living in the world this fantasy created.
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    Both are quite real, unfortunately.

    :wtf: Is that what the party told you? :lol:

    Well, you seem to be living in a fantasy world, anyway, or at least one with plenty of historical revisionism, anyway.
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    :evidence:

    Perhaps I was wrong about your adherence to 19th-century pseudoscience.

    That's what history tells me. That's why Europe up to and including the Renaissance was known as Christendom as opposed to the Islamic world. The fundamental difference was seen as religious because the concept of race, as we know it, didn't exist. What they called races we would call tribes or nations, i.e. groups of people who share the same language and customs.


    History needs continual revision. Otherwise you're not doing history, just reciting legends.
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    And you are a lot dumber than I gave you credit for. :lol:
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Got nothing, huh? Nevermind, I'll let you bow out gracefully. :itsokay:
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    I don't have time to waste on idiots who want to try to claim their own revised history as reality. :lol:
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    Which is why Dinner has always been a bigot, because even hates other white people who don't think like he does.
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    Kind of like regressives in general, really. :diacanu:
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    If you propose to convince me that there are people who make irrational arguments on the left too, save your breath. Neither side is universally rational, logical, calm, kind, high-minded individuals.

    That someone sometimes tries to shut you up by calling you a raciest is no more relevant to this discussion than the right wingers who try to distract or discredit me by constantly saying "yeah but you'll always be a man"
    Everyone believes in identity politics, just like everyone has a version of "politically correct" and just like "culture warriors" are the direct analogs of "SJWs"

    Again, the assumption of having the high ground on shit like that would be an illusion.
    Yeah, but you don't even know how to use the word regressive correctly so that doesn't say much.
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    You're becoming more libertarian by the minute.:techman:
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    There you go ago again... You claim that simply acknowledging the biological fact that haplotypes and clades exist (I.R. that race exists) that some how that means people "look down on lesser races" which is horse shit.

    Truth and understanding is not reached by trying to deny reality. You are trying to deny reality. I get that you think you are some how doing it for some noble reason but you, in actuality, are not. Deliberately ignoring evidence will not help you reach a sound conclusion and is just a blind ally.

    It would be better to spend your time fighting racism then attempting to deny the biological reality that haplotypes and clades (I.E. races with in the same species) exist.
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    The difference is how it's presented in the media, and how it is treated by various platforms.

    It's the heart of the matter. Authoritarianism is all about fear and intimidation.

    Projecting.

    I'm using it entirely correctly. You're just have those ideological blinders on that don't let you see it, lest your head explode scanners style. :diacanu:
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  19. Nova

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  20. Dinner

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    Naw, Shep is far less right wing than he used to be.
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    Her book is out and it sounds fucking amazing.

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    It sounds like a case study in mental illness and unreachable desires mixed with self loathing.
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    She's the white lady version of Uncle Ruckus. :lol:
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