The U.S. Health Care Catch-All Thread

Kabuki.

Kabooki sounds like someone blew up Godzilla's kid.

Well if politicians are going to distract us with Asian performance art better it be Kabuki theater than bukakke theater. No one wants to see a cum drenched Nancy Pelosi.

Ah, the old "I'm an enlightened liberal, you are too stupid to think for yourselves therefore the government must think for you" argument.

No, there is a sound argument for avoiding clearly visible and foreseeable systemic risk that your proposal would introduce into the system. Frankly, just on an objective and logical basis there is no good reason for such a policy change as the one you suggest.

You can't argue against science and higher education and then complain when people describe you as ignorant fucktards.

Give 'em a porch and a keg and they'll argue about anything, it just won't amount to shit.

Yes, it’s an analysis, and TL;DR for the dimmer bulbs here, but:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cans-hard-lesson-no-women-no-heath-care-bill/

You sound like part of the leftwing nutjobs with this. Plenty of rational people will point to the deconstruction of regulatory state, trying to push through a pro-growth agenda, or Neil Gorsuch as vast improvements on substantive policy. Never mind actually conducting a foreign policy more than giving away the house, or sitting on hands after signing some checks.

Your mistake is in assuming that the rest of them aren't exactly the same and this isn't just a continuing con game to get people to vote for McConnell's swamp.

I don't think you can find or invent any criticism of congress that I haven't already concluded myself, and "swamp" is as accurate a term as most other disparagements (i.e. very). Same goes for my opinion of Trump, actually, and as with many of the choices we find today - to me - essentially comes down to a choice between godawful and please kill me. As to the specific: agreed, McConnell is part of the problem, not the fix.

If I have extra money in my pocket from not having to pay for Medicare, in theory, I could use that money for health insurance.

Painting with a broad brush I see. Two can play that game, all black people are lazy welfare queens who do nothing but smoke crack and pop out babies so they can get money from the state and don't have to work.

Yeah that's right, we're all a bunch of hillbillies who cling to our religion and our guns. I just love the tolerant elitism of the left.

And you wonder why Trump won.

Those railing against science and higher education tend to be, but I'll own not all Southerners are hillbillies.

Some are quite well-spoken. Others don't live anywhere close to a hill.

Hello, McFly. What part of private insurance companies will not insure the elderly at a reasonable price do you not understand? The elderly are the only ones getting medicare, my not very bright friend.

I don't know how France manages their health care. I do know that the U.K. has universal health care, but also allows for private insurance, which I see as the best of both worlds. Everyone gets standard coverage, but if you want extra super special coverage, you can choose a private insurer.

You are wrong, John. The UK has both single payer and single provider both of which are state owned. What private insurance is available is for coverage during foreign travel. France has a version of single payer but all providers are private.

You will notice that health care in France costs a hell of a lot more than the UK due to fragmentation while the UK uses bulk buying power to really force prices down to the rock bottom.

For dunces like @Tuttle

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/19/news/economy/senate-repeal-bill-cbo/index.html

The effects of the Republican "really great" health care plan. 32 million losing insurance, 3/4ths of states would not have a single insurance company offering an individual plan by 2026, and the average monthly premium would double over night.

Can it be any more obvious that Republicans truly have no plan and that the ACA has done a massive amount of good? It is time for Republicans to stop trying to destroy the American health care market.

You wouldn't use that extra money for health insurance... you'd pay bills/rent/etc... or splurge on hookers and blow.

You must be pulling down seven figures.

I pull down seven figures - except some might be to the right of the decimal point.

Yeah, the amounts he is whining about, especially for a restaurant/bar worker, really won't pay for much yet it would certainly mean he would not be able to afford health insurance 30 years from now and wouldn't get get the public coverage since private companies just don't want old people as they are money losers who get sick too often.

It is amazing how these suckers fall for nonsense every time.

Private health insurance, beyond foreign travel, is available in the U.K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England#Private-sector_medical_care

https://www.justlanded.com/english/United-Kingdom/UK-Guide/Health/Private-healthcare

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/health-insurance/

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/16/private-medical-insurance-sales-surge-health-nhs

https://www.bupa.co.uk/

Australia manages to fund their public system with a 2% tax on income with up to an additional 1.5% on those with high incomes who choose not to take out private health insurance.

Doesn't need much help from GOP, and now looks like there's a good chance we'll all see it happen of its own accord. Of course, there's a small chance it will be de-funded, which could only help speed up its demise. Then, once all that shit's cleaned out, possibly a *new* reform could be crafted that isn't constructed of shit piled on more shit.

No more '10 steps back for everyone while a tiny percent of population take 12 steps forward.'

How many steps back have you taken?

I keep telling you fools that it isn't an effective insult if it isn't true let alone ridiculously untrue. Anyway I'm not painting with any brush. Its simply a fact that the vast majority of people in this country who reject science, who believe in intelligent design and deny climate change and who denigrate higher education are overwhelmingly conservative Republican voters and are by definition of their beliefs, ignorant fucktards.

Um, how much ambiguity exists in the word "everyone?" Ten steps back along with the rest of the country. But to take a stab at interpreting your question, in 2016 I was probably part of a large '2 steps forward' subset, and starting 2017 (when I terminated my job-provided coverage) joined the 5 or 6 steps forward crowd.

Hmmm... thoughtco.com...
sounds like a partisan domain name. I'm going to guess it skews heavily left, or right. Either way, I'm liable not to think much of impartiality and objectivity from that.