Sutherland Springs, TX church shooting

We shouldn't ban assault weapons because people have the right to own arms that would allow them to effectively resist tyrannical government.

This is the inescapable meaning of what the 2nd actually states.

Not necessarily. The 5.56 round's spitzer shape and high velocity cause the bullet to yaw, tumble and fragment when it hits a medium....say like a human torso. This creates a wound cavity way, way out of proportion to the size of the bullet in addition to dumping a hell of a lot of energy into the target. Across the streetish should be well inside the round's fragmentation range.

That’s part of what the second amendment is for.

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My point is that an insurgency didn't "win" the Vietnam War over the U.S. North Vietnamese regular troops ultimately did. And note that when South Vietnam fell it was not only North Vietnamese regulars that won, but armored forces with tanks that delivered the coup de grace.

Meanwhile, assholes keep shooting innocent people while one half of the country thinks the other half is fascist and anti-American. I think America is just broken.

Nuclear warhead capacity by nation.



Unless you're counting on Russia to save your asses, you're fucked. This is before we get to the rumours about the UK not being able to launch without US say-so because our nukes use your tech.

I've seen photographs of absolutely horrific wounds caused by 5.56mm. On the other hand, I've also heard of people getting shot clean through and coming away (relatively) okay. It all depends.

As Shoes says, the fragmentation effect with 5.56mm can be absolutely devastating. But many rifles chambered in it (or its virtually identical commercial twin, .223 Remington) today are carbines with short barrels. Consequently, muzzle velocities are reduced, and bullets fall below fragmentation velocities much closer to the muzzle. I think the U.S. military in Afghanistan--often engaging targets at long range with M4 carbines--learned this the hard way. A 5.56mm below fragmentation velocity is not a lot more than a .22 Magnum. Potentially lethal, sure, but not a pellet of guaranteed instant death.

David Petreus was actually shot in the chest with a 5.56 at a distance of 40 meters in a training accident, and he survived. In fact, he was out of the hospital in a few days.

Seems like there's a gap between the Russian and US arsenal. More bombs! More bombs! More bombs!

More people die as a consequence of alcohol, yet we don't act to get it off the streets.

Same thing.

A's drunk driving accident shouldn't mean that responsible drinker B has his freedom taken away.

Yeah. Point blank range, and it will go straight through somebody because it's going too fast to yaw. Extreme range and it will go straight through because it's going too slow to yaw. It has to have that happy medium.

Terminal ballistics often defy people's expectation and "common sense." I know that several things I believed on the subject when I was younger are simply not true. And I'm frequently surprised by videos that show how bullets actually behave in certain situations. When someone says "a bullet could never do that..." I'm not so quick to agree.

No. It does mean we enact drink-drive laws and other common-sense measures.

Bars can stop serving you if they think you're wasted, for example.

Responsible gun owner B might question the wisdom of needing a 50-cal, just as he wouldn't want his kids having ready access to mixers with 20% ABV, even if they ARE over 21 now.

And I have no problem with laws against shooting people without cause.

I have no problem with a gun store denying a sale to someone who appears mentally unbalanced, or the state denying it to a person with a criminal or mental illness background.

A person can be responsible with a .50 caliber rifle, a person who is drunk is incapable of being responsible.

As always, if you don't think something is wise...don't do it.

I found out today that someone has lit a fire under NICS' tail. Until 2000, Alabama didn't have a separate domestic violence law. DV was and has been been illegal, so don't even start that, but cases were prosecuted under Assault 1st, Assault 2nd, and Assault 3rd. That said, the relationship to the victim was highlighted on the paperwork so the courts could act accordingly including issuing Protection from Abuse orders.

Well, I heard from the people in the local court office that NICS has been calling all day to verify the relationship of the victim on old Assault cases. If the relationship to the victim was Spouse, or other immediate family, they were issuing denials left and right.

Most of them would just recogbize you as the criminal scum you are.

I wouldn't be the one violating my oath.

And it's fascinating that you automatically assume anyone resisting the U.S. military operating against the citizenry is the criminal. Just fascinating.

IMO we shouldn't ban "assault weapons" (whatever the fuck that actually means) because a gun is a gun is a gun and either you the shooter are legally allowed to shoot them or you are not. A sane person with a gun is not as much a danger as a crazy person with that same gun.
Notice the unchanging constant in this equation versus the variable? Bottom line we shouldn't ban semi-automatic weapons such as an AR-15 that has hunting & sporting applications just like we shouldn't ban any other shoulder-fired weapon such as a Remington 1100 semi-auto shotgun that also has hunting & sporting applications. If you are busted for drunk driving you can't get behind the wheel of a Toyota or a Lexus because a car is a car is a car.

Liar.

(About fantasy violations of the constitution.)

The guy holed up in a bunker on weekends away from his beet farm is the enemy. Make no mistake.

Yes, the .223 bullet dumps a lot of energy. But if that energy isn't dumped into a vital organ, it won't kill any faster than any other bullet will. A human is about the size of a deer, more or less, for comparison's sake. The .223 round works okay on deer if it's used at close range and the shot placement is perfect. But the real world rarely works as well in theory as it does in reality - thus a round fired from an AR-15 versus a round fired from a .30-06 will not have the kinetic energy/AKA potential "knock down power" and thus will not kill as fast - all other variables being the same of course.

In other words if you the human get tagged in the same part of your body at the same distance with a single round fired from an AR-15 and are tagged with a single round from a .30-06 the .30-06 will put you down faster. It's just physics - just like if a 125 pound fighter hits your chin versus a 225 fighter hitting your chin - the 225 pound fighter will knock you out every time. That's why a .223 will kill a heart-shot deer within 30 seconds and it might run 100 yards. A .30-06 will kill it right fucking now and it drops & dies on the spot. There are countless studies explaining why this is, but the bottom line is physics & physiology.

This is all bullshit. Everyone knows the only reason people own guns is because guns are super cool. The rest of this 2nd Amendment crap is just frosting on the cake.

The 2nd Amendment did have a legitimate function at one time. Of course then again so did the Amendment forbidding the forced quartering of troops during peacetime.

But your're ignoring the fragmentation that a 5.56 can cause. It creates a HUGE wound cavity destroying any vitals in range and then fragments and goes all over the place perferating even more.

But I'm not saying a 5.56 has more knock down power than a .30-06 anyway. I'm saying if you get shot in the torso with one, and it fragments, it'll do a shit ton of damage way the hell out of proportion to the size of the bullet. Getting shot by any high powered rifle is no joke. Getting shot twice by one? That dude was lucky he was able to drive off.

Dunno if they did then, but they sure do now. A Somerset buddy of mine works there now as the welding instructor.

I just can't get the image of babies getting slaughtered out of my head. Jesus Christ. It's just beyond my comprehension how a human being could do this.

I have posted articles in the past showing most guns used in crimes in places like Chicago or NYC were bought in another state.

Actually, no. It turns out stolen guns aren't used all that much in crimes. Straw Purchases are a much larger source for criminals.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2014/08/12/inside-the-black-market-for-guns/#2991ccd9181e