Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Ooh. Thought - why the need for Sarek to mindmeld with folks to certify their identity? Just minutes earlier Tyler said that Voq was a testbed for Klingon infiltrators... nine months later, what if they moved ahead with others?

For that matter, are we sure about Cornwell? Prisoner of the Klingons, has PTSD, feels a bond to L'Rell, visits her in her cell alone....

Oh yeah, they're totally checking for infiltrators. We already know from TOS that Voq wasn't the only one.

Ah, but checking people who had been in contact with Klingons would be "profiling", to use the current PC term.

For SJWs, they need to check everyone except people like Tyler and Cornwell.

I have this great image of you sitting in a dark room, all fat and alone, watching a show set on a space ship hundreds of years in the future that has no bearing on real life and making yourself all red in the face and angry trying to draw real world comparisons to it. Maybe you shart yourself a bit too.

In other words, you make crap up in your head that has no bearing in reality but act as though it is real. Got it, you're a typical leftist.

I do like how they explained how brutal the Klingons were in the war because it shows how far Human-Klingon relations have come in the years between the Discovery and Next Generation era.

You seem like a really well adjusted person

Fantastic episode! I'm with Aurora, loved every scene. As for the crew giving Tyler a pass, this is the 23rd Century, not the 21st. The Federation, and Trek in general, has always fostered the belief that everyone should get along or get a second chance....accept mutineers, of course. I'm loving Badass Giorgio, and Saru's horror when he finds out about his people. I'm thoroughly enjoying the show and can't wait to see where they wind up.

I had a thought about the whole mirror universe and Prime universe thing....what if Discovery's Prime universe is NOT the TOS Prime universe? Who's to say that there can't be more than the two. That would help explain the differences between Discovery's universe and TOS's universe, without having to address JJ Abrams' Kelvin timeline. It could be possible for the Discovery to eventually merge with the TOS Prime universe.

so the lights are on?

Everything about Cornwell's actions is there precisely to show us how she's in over her head (she's a doctor, not a strategist...). 80 000 people on a star base, dead. Yeah, that's more than she signed up for.

SF Command super duper double secret classifies the MU existence, hiding Georgiou in plain sight to utilize her knowledge while still having a chain of people who know the truth (Burnham, Sarek, Saru, Tyler, Cornwell, the transporter guy, likely a couple of those SFC admirals) and can take her out is logical.

Seems rather disingenuous to contrast V'oq trying to kill Burnham when his programming was triggered with abusive relationships. We've had it established since the beginning that she's one of the best and uniquely hand to hand combatants on any crew... indeed, capable of out fighting an armed Klingon. She also chose not to kill him when she had the chance, so confronting him to make what could be analogous to a "victim statement" and spell out for him that she can't/won't forgive him is hardly turning her into some sort of Stockholm case. Quite the opposite; she's setting the bridge he crossed on fire. He's got to find a whole new path to earning her trust, if he ever can (of course, he likely will. At least to the point of redeeming his name by his actions). Where the hell did you get the "showering with love and fixing" idea from?

I'm gonna just save myself the time here.... do you have a clue of what show you're watching and what year we live in?

Discovery is in the Prime universe.

Take the poo flinging to the RR, please.

Yup, they've been pretty clear about that since day one.
Can we just accept that TOS was written to the minimal standards of 50+ years ago and that things won't line up precisely because those episodes had the budget of a modern day craft services table?

A clear lack of imagination defines those who think this show isn’t in the Prime timeline. Same for Enterprise.

I liked that they established ENT as their past by mentioning the NX01 visits to Qu'onos as the last time humans had set foot there.
That the Defiant was definitely the TOS (Rather than a JJ version) and that it got to the MU as shown in ENT just solidifies that as fact.

It’s clear as day. I can’t understand why people think otherwise.

Y'know... a post war MU Georgiou who's been rehabilitated enough via serving as a command officer kind of makes sense to some of the policies we see in TOS that we'd question the ethicallity of through a 21st century lens. "Wagon Train to the Stars" and Kirk's occasional gunboat diplomacy solutions are pretty close to the history of colonialism that we're wrestling with rectifying today. T'kuvma's claim that "we come in peace" is a harbinger of assimilation isn't far off from Kipling's "White Man's Burden" as observed by Gunga Din.

Given how often Starfleet officers are possessed or influenced by energy beings/alien probes/spores/queen tears/creepy telepaths/parasites/space flu, it makes sense that the crew would accept Tyler not being responsible for his actions at face value.

Wow, that was really cool. We're in for either a totally packed finale (they seem to have time for Orion slaves too!) or a major cliffhanger of the really fucked up sort. I mean, think TWD level major suck cliffhanger... they really should resolve it. In the next episode. But they won't. I hope they will. But no. It's the way it's done today.

When does season 2 start?

Yeah...
Tilley convinces Burnham to talk to Tyler for her benefit, not to forgive him. She needs the closure not just from the sense of betrayal, but disappointment from him. Burnham's scene with Sarek is her on a precipice of wanting to shut down ever loving again before he reminds her that it's her mother's greatest strength. (Bonus points for him using familial terms like "mother" rather than "Amanda"... that was pretty empathetic for a Vulcan.).

I have liked this arc for how Burnham and Saru have managed to rebuild friendship and respect despite her having likewise betrayed and disappointed him-despite the bit about the MU Kelpians being a bit of a bump. They've flipped that on her character development now... Saru forgave her enough to build something from what remained, now she has to weigh what she had with Tyler over his failing her so massively. Further cements my belief that he's going to die redeeming himself before the series ends.

They may try and push it forwards now that they've hooked us, but it looks like 2019

2019 is a certainty. 2018 is impossible even if they start shooting right this second.

Kind of pisses me off. I do like those new short and sweet seasons. More action, less filler and you can watch more in the same amount of time a draaaaagging 24 episode season takes up. On the other hand, waiting for at least one year... damn. Makes you realize how old we get when the new season takes off

Dude... who hurt you?

Librulz.

Dude... it’s becoming a Monday night ritual for me to scrape my chin off the floor. This show is gaining steam!! I’m really gonna miss it while it’s off the air.

Take it easy in here, sport.

ya know how the left is accused of seeing offensive things where none exists or was intended....

Yeah...

okay that one point took me out a bit. Per what we know of Vulcans and Mind Melds, Sarek would have automatically chosen Burnham, not Suru since he had a history of melding with her anyway

Much like Trecondesta at IO9, I have zero interest in the reactions of those who simply hate-watch

Cornwell ordered him to start with Saru.