So because someone you know had a hard time, everyone else should go through a hard time? You stub your toe, and so everyone else should too? For what it's worth, I don't advocate for open borders. But I do advocate for an easier immigration system and an easier path to citizenship which isn't so blatantly stacked in favor of the ultra-wealthy. And my views on immigration would have made your ex's path towards immigration and citizenship easier and less burdensome on her, you, and your family.
Well, we might be looking at a situation where he found someone over the internet or on a visitor's/student's visa who wanted to come and exploited him, he convinced his family to pay for it, they went through the process legally and as soon as she got her citizenship dumped him and wanted a divorce...and no I'm not taking the piss with that suggestion. I've seen it many times in my work and it's why I personally would never date someone unless their immigration status was secure long term. In such circumstances, I can see why he might feel aggrieved. Otherwise "I know someone who did it legally" makes no sense for a grievance unless he feels the money was spent in vain.
Well, they were locking them up in cages before. By @Paladin's standards this is kind treatment since they're still with their parents...
HOLY SHIT! It's 2013 all over again! You're right Nova - THIS hasn't happened before. That played out just how Obama wanted it to. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...rock-throwing-san-ysidro-2013nov25-story.html
yes, like in 2013 when they were in the tear gas business under Obama! Thanks for noticing the trend! BTW word to the wise - don't throw rocks and you won't get tear gassed. It's a simple formula really, works nearly every time! So toddlers were throwing rocks clean over the fence? I see a pro baseball pitching career in their future! Anyway I did not know that tear gas can be tailored to only target toddlers -you learn something new everyday on wordforge!
Can you copy and paste? Link if region locked. Also, are you so wrapped up in your partisan nonsense that you think us Non Americans won’t criticise Obama?
not at all - to be fair you would hold Obama to the same standard - others (Us & non-US) have shorter memories and stronger partisan filters AKA "selective listening." here is most of the article from a San Diego news paper in 2013. I put one sentence in bold - something to think about! a group of about 100 people trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico, federal officials said. The incident has raised concerns among advocates on both sides of the immigration debate, as well as Border Patrol representatives. Immigrant-rights groups in San Diego said they didn’t know beforehand about the plan to rush the border, and they worry that desperation is driving homeless deportees to make a bold bid to rejoin their families in the United States. Border-security groups see this situation as evidence that the border remains unsecured, something they said should be fixed before Congress considers proposals to grant legal status to unauthorized immigrants.
Overstayers and undocumented people should be deported. For people claiming refugee status, there’s a process for that, don’t want to follow that process, see yah.
Yep. As if they knew it might cause a bunch of desperate folk to take action. When it says "Suffer the little children" it means "send them to me" NOT "gas the brats!"
That said once things settle down the process will again be allowed, and back on track. But bum-rushing the border will just derail your plans and almost guarantees you will never attain the asylum you seek. Just sayin'
so when people are desperate you should just curtail your border/immigration procedures according to their current emotional state? I like how people are making it look like the agents deliberately targeted kids to gas - are people really this stupid?
As in so many other instances of US policy, it's not that they "deliberately targeted kids", it's that kids being hit was an entirely predictable consequence of the action, and they did not give a shit.
Okay Rick you are a border agent - a mob tries to bust through the border. Do you let the mob through because kids are in the mob? What would Rick do in such a situation? I'm sure a smart guy like you has a solution, let's hear it!
No. Nor should you seal off the legal entry points and deploy the military in a manner that suggests "you ain't getting in ever" to a bunch of folk who 1) have a legal right to apply for entry and 2) have just walked hundreds of kilometers to do so. You either calm the bull down so you can lead him in or out of the field gently. Or you wave a red flag at the fucker and act surprised when he charges. Trump's preferred option, of course, was shoot the bull and make hamburgers, but the military wouldn't back him up on that one.
They’re trying to block the legal process of seeking asylum. These people were trying to obey the law, Trump wants to deny the law to keep them out.
The point doesn't come when they actually shoot people, it comes when he demands it. Generally speaking I think most of us hold the military in higher regard than the POTUS who disrespects them, dishonours their dead and treats them as his personal enforcers.
To be honest I'd say on principle at least potentially yes. That's key to the word "desperate" and whilst I'm not directly commenting here on this instance I'd say there does come situations where specific situational factors overrule the normal procedures and regulations.
Are you fine with the President changing a long-standing law just to single out certain groups of people as long as it doesn’t affect you personally?
This is the problem, people are saying "those immigrants should obey the law", oblivious to the fact they were doing, it was the border guards who were acting unlawfully under the administration's instructions.
It's okay, they aren't white. The President said it himself, he only wants immigrants from "good" countries. This is that in action. We might as well put a sign on the Statue of Liberty that says "Whites Only".
