In case you have been living under a rock, Trump proposes to trash the refugee process and breach the Refugee Convention. Would you deport an overstayer who qualifies for a further application but for a minor technicality? How, care to answer the rest of the questions I actually put to you?
by all means quote me several samples of Obama ranting about the grave dangers of the pending invasion and how the only solution was to close the border and vuild a wall. That very article says the even it question was unexpected, whereas CBP has known the caravan was coming for six weeks yet made no preparations to deal with the crowd in a civilized manner. As always, wahtaboutism fail. (also, for the record, a lot of Obama's border policies amounted to unwise pandering to xenophobes in an effort to appear centrist. Don't hold out for me to argue Obama did everything right. Do you want to discuss history or current events, we can do either)
we have been told for a couple of years now that a wall solves all problems. That particular point is the most fortified part of the border their is - so why do we need to get violent if there's a wall?
The whataboutism is strong in this thread. Facts are here that Trump is publicly and openly calling for violence and the right wing media is celebrating it happening. That should scare anyone.
I can’t wait for Conservatives to try and claim some moral high ground after this. They’ve celebrated and ignored children locked in cages and having tear gas shot at them. All while the ones having tear gas were trying to go through the legal process. They’re being attacked for doing the right thing and they want to ignore it, mostly due to racism. As far as I’m concerned they’re tainted for a generation. I hope they don’t honestly believe in Hell, they’re probably bound directly for it now.
Fair enough! Let's try it out in your country! Let's storm your shores with thousands of boats full of screaming & starving people so you can greet them with street maps of London and a map to your house where you will (hopefully) have a hot meal for them! If that works out then maybe we will try this on our Mexican border.
most of the caravan very well might be trying to go through the process - but some of the people in the caravan decided to bust through the border, bringing trouble upon everyone. You know the old saying....."you are known by the company you keep." You would think most of the people in the caravan who wanted to be patient and law-abiding are pretty pissed off at the bad actors in their caravan who did this, versus lamenting "how could they do this to us?" when fellow caravan members brought it upon themselves, and incidently upon innocent people. And racism? Ummm.....sorry but the brown people are the only race in the caravan. If all the poor people in Central America were white then we would be tear gassing white people. But they happen to be brown - should we set a quota so more poor whites try to crash the gate? Would that make you happy?
Okay Bizarro how do you think Sundays incident should have been handled? Like it was handled in 2013, which was how it was handled Sunday? Let's pretend you are a border control agent - many of whom are "brown" themselves. What would you have done? Lay out your brilliant plan for balancing defense of our borders and facilitating poor people who want to come into the US (I guess Mexico isn't good enough for them or they would have tried to get asylum there but I digress). Let's hear your ideas!
We met in 2003 (in real life) , got married in 2005 and divorced in 2015. It had nothing to do with her wanting citizenship, I left her. I'm not going to go into greater detail than that. We are still in contact and have no ill will towards each other. She did in fact want her sister to come over here by marrying someone and was willing to pay them. That was not what she did to me. She begged me not to leave. My ex is from Russia.
No, I could give a whole list of answers. You’d make some lame joke or put another whataboutism from your ass. So it would be a waste of my time to engage with you on an intellectual level. Now why don’t you defend what the President you voted for and seem willingly to vote for again tear gassing children? Clearly you support it and have no objection. So why do you find it acceptable? Do those children deserve it?
Right so already you’re comparing someone who has to cross oceans to someone someone from South or Central America. What if you had met your ex in the US, she has overstayed her at the time you met and you wanted her to stay?
It would be unfortunate. I don't believe laws should be curtailed because two 20 something's are in love though.
You are not going to waste your time answering his question yet you will waste it asking him one yourself?
Because he thinks it's kewl to tear-gas toddlers. Obviously you agree or you wouldn't be defending him.
Only a few on the left have a principled position on this topic - someone like Geraldo Rivera, who objected just as loudly five years ago in November when border guards then used the same method to humanely diffuse a potentially explosive situation. Not sure if the Left spouting this purely-politically-motivated bullshit today are liars, ignorant, or brainwashed dummies? The hyperbole is strong and stinking: Democrat Senator Shatz calls it a "chemical" attack - I guess that leaves Assad off the hook. This entire issue is political, with barely a grain of substance - Trump made it political, and then the left turned it up to 11. And it's all so transparent - just skim the headlines over past year or so - first the pics of cages; OOPS!, turned out to be Obama-era policy enforcement. Second the jail bus for infants full of child seats - turns out again, Obama-era, and it was used for field trips or something. Next the lefties score a basket, all net, in claiming 'tearing apart familes, children in cages' demagoguing in concert at full volume. Again, rooted from its inception in purely politically motivated one-upsmanship. Then the conditions set by a chorus on the left of 'welcome, please come break the law', to embolden future caravan-type incursions. Then the paid-for and highly organized origination of this series of caravans - not even surprising how little actual reporting has even tried to investigate and identify with precision the source of the millions needed to pull this latest 'mass' migration together (probably only Fox might try, and if they did they failed or we'd have heard about it). It certainly wasn't some organically grown event; more artificial political posturing bullshit. Like the latest shuffling to front of crowd a few women with youths just before the planned push-assault to try to mob their way through a guarded border barrier. These poor unfortunate migrants are political tools, collateral damage of the progressive left, and are being exploited by all manner of very bad people (among them the loudest leftie politicians and commentators on the subject), and don't look too deeply or you'll quickly find further potential for misery and depravation with all the lucrative opportunities for the drug and human trafficking trade that has so long enriched Mexican cartels controlling the concessions in cross-border organized crime.
So let me get this straight - the border control agents choose non-lethal means for crowd control (as per SOP and common human decency) and they have a mob of people trying to bust through the border. But being...ya know...border control agents and not GOD they can't control the wind, or gravity. Thus tear gas affects everybody downwind, downhill, or not wearing a gas mask. So here are some options to consider: 1) take away the border control agency's non-lethal capability since it's not 100 percent child-proof. That leaves them with either a stern verbal warning or a bloodbath (for agents or border busters) with no middle ground to speak of. Not too appealing IMHO. 2) open borders - everybody in the pool, the water's fine! So far no president in my lifetime has ever tried to implement this strategy - go figure! 3) streamline the immigration process, but make it "binary" as hell! If you want to work hard and assimilate you can earn permanent citizenship in two years if and when you meet certain benchmarks and cooperate with being monitored accordingly. If you commit major crimes during your probationary period there is no wrist-slap sentence, then deportation, then you sneak back in the next time shit. You will be subject to mandatory doubling of the maximum sentence length that would be given to a full-fledged US citizen. That's quite a strong motivator to stay on the law-abiding path to citizenship! oops last minute idea, this option being from the point-of-view from the Mexican side: 4) turn your ass around and either try to stay in Mexico or return to your native country.
You mean like we did with the French and the Polish during WWII, or the Pakistani's after partition, or did through the early 2000's again with the Polish, or are doing again now with the Syrians? You do realise we provide massive assistance and benefits programs for refugees?
You're misusing the word "defense", these people are not aggressors nor are they military personnel. I don't believe you feel that threatened by small children. Let's reiterate here, the correct process for applying for asylum under US law is to enter the country first. They were following the law. The border agents were not, they were following the illegal instructions given by a corrupt government of the sort you keep assuring us couldn't arise in the US, one whose political platform is based on protecting the 2nd amendment which ironically you assure us is a safeguard against tyranny. But it's ok, they can claim asylum in Mexico except the place is run by drug cartels using guns smuggled in from the US past the very same border guards we're supposed to hail as heroes for stopping all those scary children.
good to know! You need to do a "Dunkirk" thing but this time go to Mexico (or Central America itself) and load up your boats!
well spot those "illegal instructions given by a corrupt government that couldn't arise in the first place" have been in place for decades! Was every regime corrupt? This is not the first time border agents had to use tear gas - but I'm sure you knew that. Yes, you must enter the country first - but submitting the border agents to a barrage of rocks and storming the border doesn't get you off on the right foot. I don't even think that's part of the official process, but correct me if I'm wrong. People are hooked on the optics....mothers cradling tear gassed kids. There are optics of border agents getting rocks thrown at them, and not just by women & children, but I'm thinking you won't be shown those. And I never claimed the 2nd would stop government tyranny in this day & age. Hundreds of years ago the military didn't have tactical mobile weaponry that much more advanced than civilians. There wouldn't be drug cartels if there wasn't a demand for drugs in the US - perhaps US drug abusers share some blame too. Did you ever consider that?
