Mueller Investigation

Beating the Soviets was part of it but it was originally conceived as an inspirational quest to revive national moral and show the world that the US could do the impossible. The competition from the Soviets did help move things along more quickly by focusing minds.

If it can be done it's not impossible and it would be much more inspirational to show what humanity could do and draw a bit more contemporary attention to the multi national nature of the design process and the science rather than merely in retrospect.

Ever been to the Kennedy Space Centre?

I have, it's wonderful, but it also tells you a lot about the mentality of the space race and what the justification for the eye watering sums involved really was. When going into the launch control centre (still in pristine condition) there' a video about how Russia had put a cosmonaut in space and how it was a blow to American pride, along with diagrams of communist takeovers around the world. This is all presented in dark shades with ominous and eerie music, until we see JFK making his "We do this not because it is easy..." speech and the tone changes, the lights become brighter, the music more optimistic and the narrative becomes about how it became a beacon of hope of hope in the contest with the communist threat.

It was a Cold War propaganda mission, with both side competing to place the flag up there. It was also a conveniently fruitful testing ground for a lot of the technologies used in developing long range nuclear weapons and eventually the Star Wars program.

I'd genuinely be curious to see how things would have played out if the Russians had got there first and how it would have affected the dynamic between the two powers over the following decades.

Of course, but it came about because a Cold War administration wanted a showpiece. Do you really believe that funding was selfless?

Would the US have celebrated a Soviet landing as a great leap forward?

Exactly my point. It was about proving superiority.

You know and I know that's an evasion.

The soviets did not, by and large, celebrate (although there were some exceptions) and nor would the US if the roles were reversed.

The space race resulted in much that could be called progress, but it was neither funded nor authorised for that reason anymore than Cold War proxies were humanitarian in intent.

You are a very binary thinker who seems to be unable to understand there were multiple motivations.

It is, I have to admit, breathtaking.

Made by a German you know

Acknowledging the reality of a situation does not constitute binary thinking.

Inability to see beyond preconceptions, on the other hand, very much does.

If you care to re read my posts you will note I acknowledged there were other goals for those involved (Von Braun included - redemption being high on his list), but the funding came from politicians whose interests and goals were very much short term and limited.

Well, that was hardly "no collusion" was it now?

It doesn't matter what Mueller says. It is only what was in his report that counts.

As a Democrat anything negative he says about the President can be disregarded.

Alabamian.

He couldn't have not said it amy clearer...

'If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so'

TLDR: Insufficient evidence to charge conspiracy, can't charge obstruction but plenty of evidence for it and really, really wanted to.

I think the biggest news out of it is that DoJ policy does in fact prevent indictment under seal. So Trump is likely going to get away with his campaign finance violations. Anyone know what the statute of limitations is for obstruction?

Why have all the trumpets not weighed in yet???

TLS laughed at my direct quote of Mueller.

This is just great watching you clowns clinging to hope of something that will never come to pass. It really is.

Because it's too much fun watching the runaway beer truck that is the left!

You’re a sad failure of a man.

It was you that I was laughing at! Mueller's job is not to determine anyone's innocence.

Now I'm sad.

^This is what the felchers keep ignoring.

Patently wrong. Mueller's charge was to find guilt, of which he found none with regard to our president. People are presumed innocent to begin with and it's not his place, or any prosecutor's place, to comment on that.

And you're wrong as well. What a shocker, lol.