Now the right wing fascists have taken to physical violence because a 13 year old boy wore a hat during the national anthem. He felt it was his right to lift the boy up by his neck and slam him to the ground so hard he had a concussion and was bleeding from his ears. The man supposedly said the boy was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that. This is a 13 year old kid this man violently assaulted. This is a patriot with a history of violence having been arrested in the past for assaulting someone else with a weapon. The good guys on the right empowered by our president to violently assault people for not respecting America, which BTW is enshrined as a right in our freedom of speech. We don't even know if this kid was actually disrespecting America or just being a kid wearing a hat. https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-man-assaulted-boy-kept-174532337.html You people on the right need to stop implying patriotism means being allowed to violently assault someone for disagreeing with you because some of your nutbars are getting the wrong impression. Hopefully this guy will spend a long time behind bars where he belongs. Maybe they can release a non-violent innocent asylum seeker and give him a spot in the cage. The picture of white wing American fascism.
This is really a result of the president and the right wing turning everything into some hyped up end of the world bullshit over some gestures. Fascism is show respect or get beaten. Freedom is not getting beaten for not showing respect or even disrespect. You hype up the righteous assholes enough and then you get this. The right has got to tone it down. It is not about shutting up, but rather finding a less aggressive way to be. We should be finding out who influenced him and riled him up (faux news and right wing hate) and shaming them and boycotting them because of their rhetoric. I am not talking about banning them, but as a society we should not be supporting them.
The underlying problem is that whilst we can see that dynamic in play it's never going to be something we can truly prove. We can see the connection but convincing people that Trump is an indirect cause of his behaviour is always going to rely on those people being receptive to the idea and few on the right will be. This isn't freedom, nor is it the sort of patriotism anyone should want or endorse and it's exactly the sort of thing which @Marso 's recent thread seemed to be endorsing, hence the kickback, the idea that respect for a flag and obedience to ritual are the best ways to support a country. Patriotism isn't being unquestioning, it isn't using violence and intimidation to enforce your will, it's being able to take a step back and acknowledge the faults which are there. That means people should be thinking more and saluting less.
But it is not just trump. I would really love it to be just trump because if it was then when he is gone it would be over. It won't be over when he is gone if we don't replace him with people who tone things down. The people at faux news are still playing on riling people up. The right wing hate machine is still realizing hate gets people to buy shit. For all the eighties it does happen on the left to a lesser extent, but it is still there. I am trying to get my dad to stop watching Bill Maher. He is the fucking worst on the left. Good comedians like Stephen Colbert or John Oliver are so much less angry, and still inspire. When I hear my dad talk about politics it is just a small step down from how my archie bunker grandfather talks about politics. My dad is very progressive and left wing for a person of his age group. He was a Woodstock hippie who became a conservative family left wing person. But I hear the anger and hate that is stoked within him when he listens to Maher. It is all fuck them and they are the worst. I may radically disagree with some people around here. But I don't really have a terrible amount of hate for them because of their ideas. I just wish the hurting and torturing people for being themselves would stop. I really don't want to go further than that because I think it is your responsibility to present yourself in a way and deal with the like and dislike of that in opinion. Let me say an example from around here. @TheLonelySquire : I am only bringing him up as a person I have fought with and really dislike. All I want is for him to be not hurting others. That is all I ask. Even though I may feel negatively towards him I still have a hope that he can enjoy his life and be who he is. Yes, I may laugh a bit if he were run over by a truck, but I am aware he has friends and family who would grieve and be saddened by his loss and I am not going to seek them out and cause them misery. I even think that having a decent time in life and being happy makes a person predisposed to being more friendly and helpful to others, even if they hate them. So for the sake of environment and things around being nice I wish him fullfillment and happiness even if I happen to disagree with his views. That is also recognizing that sadism, getting joy or excitement from inflicting pain on others, is wrong. I am ok with voyeur sadism in that you can get a giggle out of the misfortune that happens to another, but you cannot cause it. Trump is just the sign that these people are there and a problem. Cutting down the sign that there are dangerous people around him does not make those people disappear. One of the reasons the US continues to suffer from racism and prejudice is we have not made enough effort to root it out. Like an infection it festers and infects people around. We were the antibodies and white blood cells of society removing the diseased and tainted tissues it has. We have to regenerate new and healthy tissue and fight better. We have our tools and our way to fight.
I agree, but few if any on the right would, hence my point. Seeing what is happening is a long way from being able to objectively prove it and they see things very differently to you and I. That means anything we assert falls into the category of "opinion" rather than "fact" and no one on the moderate right is predisposed to hear that their party and views are responsible for violence. That takes some persuading.
I am going to dip into paintball reffing here for a moment because it applies. One of the things I noticed as a ref was certain things happen every time even in different groups. I have years of experiencing this and it is actually quite reliable. One of the things that happens is there is always cheating and unfair treatment of the opponent. This crazy would always come up from the losers and the winners and was, from what I could see, created from limited perspective. As a ref I could easily stand where I could see multiple people and I could see where the paintballs were going because they do not travel that fast. There would always be people saying they knew for sure they could see they hit a person, and I knew because I saw that they did not. We want to convince people and ourselves, and the brain also fills in the blanks without our knowledge so some things we see are not really true. Why I am saying this is that accomplishing the goal became more important than dealing with right and wrong. That involved seeing the bigger picture in many different ways. The real question is what do we do about it. Just electing a new POTUS or congress is not going to fix the problem. We have to remember the lessons that racism and hate fester like an infection and will always be present. We cannot just stop the growth of this cancerous tumor, or even cut it out because those are people in that tumor. We have to, over time, change the feelings of society to acceptance and appreciation for the people he is hating on. We have to watch for the growth of cells that are infected with the wrong message. We have to adapt or isolate them so that they cannot harm other cells, organs, or tissues of society. When you think about it like a body we see our direction and purpose a lot more clearly than just attack. This has to be a societal change, and involve spreading it through our channels where we have seen success. Integration of youth with different attributes and cultures. The sanctification of diversity and individuality. the celebration of different traditions and spiritualities.
He looks too fucking creepy to use as the face of a "don't get into vans with strangers" ad campaign.
@TheLonelySquire isn't that creepy. Oh, sorry I forgot he was trans black. Oh sorry again for doxxing him.
"Hopefully this guy will spend a long time behind bars where he belongs." - Tererun well I agree with this portion of your post anyway. If you want to broad brush everyone on the right you are failing miserably. Not one person on wordforge will stand up for this guy or agree with what he did, or take his side. All the responses so far (save this one) are the left playing the "yep! Those damn right wing fascists for you!" mantra. You are an echo chamber sucking each others dicks over the worst example of a right wing violent nut job we can imagine.
It is customary to do so but not required. At any rate, nothing could have justified such a violent reaction.
I don't get it either. If you want to try to embarrass or shame somebody go ahead. But a physical assault - especially of a kid? That is one sick motherfucker and he needs to be put under the jail.
you'd be a busy beaver where I live - a significant percentage of the population wear caps (I assume by "hats" that you mean anything on their head) in restaurants. Granted I don't go to high class restaurants so maybe that's a different story.
But if that's the defence he's going to claim then this could very well become even more politically loaded. For what it's worth, @Diacanu I agree they are quiet but somehow I don't take any pleasure in that.
The Trump defence is likely just the lawyer grandstanding, but his head injury affecting his judgement COULD be valid - he has a previous for threatening a family with a gun back in 2010 and apparently his head injury was taken into account at the time.
Hard to believe isn't it? Granted I have stepped out of my comfort zone and partook in "fine dining" on occasion but to be honest the food wasn't any better. So let's see.....spend more money for an inferior dining experience? Not quite getting the concept.
You know what's funny? Some of us on the left and the right are not that far apart. We're really not. We need to stop talking at each other and start talking to each other. And fwiw, while I think you have some wacky though processes, opinions, and stories I really don't dislike you.
Can you cite that given you are a known liar and I have yet to see any news source claiming such a thing. Also, the man is saying, through his lawyer, he feels trump ordered him to do so. Why would a trump supporter body slam a white kid wearing a MAGA hat. I am not saying it is not true, and it really does not matter much considering if you brutally attacked a 13 year old boy like that, I don't care if he is a MAGAt or not. It is a fucking child. Unless he is whipping out a gun to do a mass shooting, you have no business assaulting him like that. You belong in jail because you are an out of control violent ass who needs to be in a cage with people like you. However, it would be real nice if @TheBurgerKing could show us he wasn't lying and making shit up to confuse people.
He says he slammed the kid due to orders from trump which means yes he was a right wing fascist asshole trump supporter. So the broad brush is fine when he is one of the core supporters of trump. This is what large broad portions of the right are doing. Sure there might be a couple of people who are on the right and are not fucking nuts, but they are probably in a coma and have not been conscious to run away from trump. Maybe you should talk to your violent friends on the right and tell them slamming a kid to the ground like this because you think trump ord3red you to with his hateful rhetoric about people disrespecting the anthem should tone it the fuck down.
Yes, we are far apart in how far we take our anger and justify attacking others. We can see a drastic difference in violence levels of the left and the right because the left does a lot to tone people down rather than rile people up. Bill Maher is one person on the left. You have an uncountable number of faux news hosts who are promoting hate and stoking fears. You have decades of rush Limbaugh, Bill Orielly, Glen "The silver gerbil" Beck, Infowars, The Blaze, Donald Tump, and loads of talking heads on the right who have called for violence and riled up the right. There is not even a valid comparioson with the problems made by the right and the couple of people on the left. Lots of lefties don't even like Bill Maher because of his attempts to use right wing fearmongering and chickenlittling in his bullshit. Most of the lefties I know who have stopped watching him did so when he did religulous and completely went over the top on being one of the radical atheists.
Here are 600+ examples for you. #isunkyourbattleship https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...ence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
