here comes the bullshit with vaping

It’s kind of fucked up that a handful of people die from vaping and the government wants to ban them, but guns kill far more and nothing is done.

Same goes for cigarettes.

Smoke weed kids, no known deaths and it makes TV interesting again. Makes Star Trek episodes you’ve seen a hundred times spellbinding.

More people die from guns than tobacco use? I’d like to see that statistic.

here are some stats - yep, tobacco kills far more people.
Granted more people smoke than own/shoot guns (and there is some overlap of course) but still - tobacco is a killing machine!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x234418

https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/problem/toll-us

Tobacco related deaths in the USA annually: More than 480,000
Gun deaths in the USA annually: About 36,000

Bonus - Automotive deaths in the USA annually: 37,000

Clearly, guns are the problem.

The right of the people to vape shall not be infringed.

I kinda like it. Let's get that amendment process rolling.

Your bonus is off by almost two orders of magnitude, according to your source its actually 37,000 automotive deaths in the USA each year.

Sounds like the VRA has been on the phone to Trump:

Trump has decided to be reasonable about this?

Good, I guess. But, I give up. This planet doesn't make any sense to me anymore.

Also, here's a message for Grechen Whitmer and @We Are Borg:

Check came in, just like how he says he will do something about guns until the NRA bribe comes and then reverses. It is all the same with trump. I am pretty sure if abortion made enough money to send a check he would have an executive order to fund abortions for everyone using pentagon funding.

Yeah that did seem a little high. I put the global figure down instead of the USA figure. Corrected now.

Interesting thing, we do register cars, ticket drivers for unsafe operations, and will even remove person's license and ability to register an automobile for reckless driving. we also hold car manufacturers responsible for injuries from unsafe manufacturing problems, and require insurance in order to help people who are injured by unsafe vehicle operation.

Yet, we do none of these things for something designed solely to kill mass number of people that serves no purpose in society aside from to be a surrogate penis for insecure cowards.

We do some of those things. As far as know, most states require a permit to carry in public. If someone has a negligent discharge in public, I'm pretty sure they can get charged with something. If a manufacturer was selling guns that blew up or went off for no reason, they'd get held responsible.

That seems a little harsh, surely they could go see a doctor?

I mean, during my teenage years I had a few such incidents and the school nurse said it was perfectly normal, although the ambulance crew felt their time had been wasted.

yeah, just like a car. Sure right. Stop taking @Dayton Kitchens stupid pills. I have been to the DMV and gun shopping. The DMV is much more strict than any gun seller. Plus, if I buy a car from some idiot off the street and I have no legal license the DMV will not let me register it or drive it on the roads. The police will actually be notified of illegal license plates if they look them up, and they will arrest me and charge me for driving a car without a license. Not to mention you can hold the owner of a car responsible if they let an unlicensed person operate their vehicle.

It is just not even close, and all the gun owners who claim it is are intellectually dishonest to claim there is any relative regulation to gun possession.

Not "just like a car", but similar. I've been to the DMV and gun shopping as well. I had to take a test and get my eyes checked, and that's it. The DMV never required that I take a state mandeted class to drive the car in public, nor did they do a background check, so I'm not seeing how it's "more strict".

You don't have to pass a test to get your drivers license?

"serves no purpose in society aside from to be a surrogate penis for insecure cowards." - Tererun ranting about guns

well genius how do you explain 12 year old girls who shoot guns? A lot of them go hunting and target shooting with their families. Are they insecure cowards?

one time and one time only since I've been driving. So once I passed my Wisconsin driving license test in 1978 I never had to take another one no matter what state I moved to.
That said I did have to pass a written test to drive in Germany when I was in the military, but not a road test.

Yeah, I had to take a driving test. It involved driving in traffic. I also had to show some basic skills at parking and making sure I can deal with a car. They also made sure my parents paid extra insurance until I got my own car. I had restricted hours I could drive. Then when I got my first car I had to get my own insurance, and pay out the ass until I was thirty because kids are less responsible. I had to keep my record clean, pay my insurance, and keep within the law.

There is a hell of a lot more to dealing with a car than a gun. Idiots don't give you a simple eye test for a gun. Seriously, That should be part of the process. I would really like to keep guns out of the hands of those who cannot see. It is a sign our rules are way too lenient if a blind guy can get a gun. I know a guy from my high school who could not get a license because he was legally blind. He could see enough to play video games and kick our asses, and he would be legal to own a fucking gun and carry it around, but the DMV would not let him drive. How is a dude so blind he cannot drive, but he can own and run around with a gun?

Gun laws in the US are a fucking joke. There is no doubt in my ind that I can go down and buy a gun tomorrow from a legal source and have a backgrouncd check run on me and walk out of there with any gun I want. I am a convicted felon. They would sell me a gun tomorrow. I have been there and gone through the paperwork. The DMV knows every accident and fender bender I have been in. My car is tracked through every repair. The last time I renewed my insurance they knew every car at my residence. Every car I have owned has repair history and the time and mileage I owned it for. I had to drive one of my cars around for a few hundred miles to sell it because I accidentally recorded the wrong mileage somewhere and the DMV knew it. It was a choice of going through a whole big process of verifying I was wrong about the mileage and paying to have it changed or driving 500 miles. I drove 500 miles because it was easier than dealing with the DMV records and changing them.

There is no fucking way this is even close.

I would be insecure if I was carrying around a pussy in a world full of gun owning insecure men also.

Yeah, I had to do all that too...when I was 15. As an adult, I've only ever had to take a test and get my eyes checked...and I've switched states twice.

How can a blind dude pass a practical range test?

Sorry, but I don't believe that. How can you pass a background check and be a convicted felon? The whole point of a NICS check is to catch convicted felons trying to buy guns.

That must be a Florida thing, because I've never experienced any of that.

To get a carry permit in TN and NC, you have to take a mandatory state sanctioned class, pass a written, and range test, and then pass a County, State, and Federal background check. To get a drivers license in TN and NC, you have to pass a written test and get your eyes checked. You're right. It's not even close.

"How is a dude so blind he cannot drive, but he can own and run around with a gun? "

Ray Charles feels your pain! BTW I call bullshit on you passing a gun background check (in a legitimate store) as a convicted felon unless the clerk fucks something up or you give false information or otherwise manipulate the system. But no fucking way will you stroll into an Academy Sports or Bass Pro Shops and say "I'd like to buy that S&W 9 mil" and pass a background check giving factual and accurate information and official proof of who you are. Sorry, not believing you.

We have a big problem in the US with science and things we put in our body. I amlmost cannot blame the anti-vaxers for not believing things. Look at how long we let J&J literally put asbestos in baby powder. We did not discover it until a spike in asbestos related cancer that could not be explained was noticed. They knew about it and even had a safer mine and detection methods to eliminate tainted talc. We have harmful levels of sugar in everything. We don't even mention the levels of smog and pollutants that people deal with in cities anymore. You look all over and there is always something someone is screwing around with.

I want a decent regulatory group I can trust, but the FDA certainly is not without it's problems. I am not stupid enough to trust the vape people after seeing the history of these products in america. That is not to say I won't use them, but I am not a health freak anyway. I have done IV coke, MDMA, and heroin. I have done multiple brands of imitation pot. Let me tell you some of them were fucking crazy. I smoke tobacco, and have for years.

At this point even I am backing off the vaping shit. I would prefer all natural pot, and if I am going to do the extreme I am getting an actual vaporizer again. Vaping Tobacco might be safer in general, but I don't know what these flavors are. I do know that you need to be somewhat aware of your temp as burning a coil is not good to inhale.

All I ask is just pay attention and realize until we get a decent organization and testing done it is on you to watch your sources. There are a lot of decently educated people in the vape shops, but you have to know your shit too. Monitor your own health also. I am pretty sure some of tbhese people who ended up in the hospital did not just get there. They ignored some problems with their breathing. Take it easy on your lungs.

I am also going to say the best way to take THC and CBDs would be orally. If you want to boost your pot high over an edible then do it as you need. It will save your lungs the abuse.

Yes...at least in NC. I don't remember if I had to take a test in TN, but it wouldn't surprise me if I did.

It is not just at 15. When you first get your license, at whatever age, you have to pass a practical driving exam. It actually gets worse as you try for bigger more powerful vehicles. Oh, and when you do switch states they will again run your record to find problems.

I do not need a practical range test to go get a gun and use it.

I am not exactly sure how it happened. For some reason my conviction does not show up. I would say bad record keeping. It has actually happened to me before. Actually, it happens to me a lot. It is also something about CT. Something about their record keeping seems to miss a lot in my experience. I am sure if I pushed the issue by having a gun and being arrested it would pop up in a deeper look, but it is not good when they can so easily fuck up. I won't personally purchase a gun for many reasons, but I was curious if I could.

I forget how it actually happened being years ago. It is also not a florida thing anymore. It is more of an insurance company thing. One of the reasons I push for gun insurance is the insurance companies will lock down a lot of these things. They know more about my car's history than I do because they track VINs for multiple purposes.

That is not to own and generally use a gun. Oh, and you have to take a couple of driving classes too IIRC.

Good try, but I cannot walk into walmart and walk out with car licensed to me and legal for me to drive. I can walk into walmart and get a gun which I can then use.

Please do keep on pretending.

When you're 21 you don't have to take a driving exam.

You do if you want to carry it in public.

Yeah. I don't believe you.

No. I've only ever taken one driving test, and that was when I was 15...and sure, you can buy a gun at walmart, but you can't carry it in public in most states. We're not comparing car ownership with gun ownership. We're comparing car licensing and gun licensing.

Come back when you don't want to cherry pick arguments while ignoring points that are inconvenient to you. Because there is a reason walmart does not sell cars. That is because there are a ton of actual regulations to puchasing and owning one that they do not wanty to be involved in. If it was as easy to sell a car as it was to sell a gun walmart would be selling cars. Don't give me the space issue because walmart has much more of a network and parking available than any car dealer in any state. Do take a look, I think you will find that for your first license you have to pass a practical driving test. You may not have to do the permit thing

oh and thanks for the dishonesty. NC has a driving test for people getting their license for the first time.

https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/driver-licenses/new-drivers/Pages/driver-license-tests.aspx

They literally have car vending machines. There's one in Charlotte near my work.

Not if you're over 21.