Hundreds of young trans people returning to original sex.

Really?
Then you're awfully isolated.
The Flashlight types have always tried to paint me as this hermit, but I've easily met shittier people than them, and you.
Quite a few.
You never ran into a pedo, a wife beater, a lying thief, a bully, a con-artist?
Wow, haven't you been fucking lucky.
Or else, you have met these people, and you think John is worse than all of them, which means you're mind-meltingly stupid with a broken moral compass.
Or, you're willing to lie so hard to smear him, you don't care if you look like you're stupid with a broken moral compass.
Which makes you stupid with a broken moral compass anyway.

Either you think this hyperbole is funny, in which case you fail, or you believe this bullshit, in which case you're unhinged to the point of dangerous.

Which one does your over-inflated vanity want to go with, being an unfunny nitwit, or a psycho that needs to seethe in a permaban?

I’ll take that as a no.
What about the concept of a false choice.
‘You can choose to go through door A or door B, but going through door B will kill you.’
Do you think that is an actual choice?

Yep. Polycule is a portmanteau of poly (polyamorous) and cule (molecule) because when diagrammed out it often looks like a molecule.

That's not a choice, but I didn't see your other question. Yes I'm familiar with concepts of heaven and hell.

Do you think indoctrinating children from the earliest age that if they don’t believe as you do (door A) they will suffer eternal torture and separation from their family (door b, hell) but then saying ‘but you can make your own choice’ is actually giving children freedom to choose?

No it's not a choice which is why I said I wouldn't do it if I had kids. That doesn't mean I hate my mom for not giving me that choice. Besides, I grew up and decided for myself what I believed like everyone else.

Nope.
Bullshit.
Tabloid article just takes the claim of TERFs at face value without checking it.

There are studies that tracked well over 3,000 trans people for decades.
Out of that number they found less than 20 who even discussed de-transition and THREE who did so.

It defies credulity that people looking for the phenomena in a controlled study can't find it, but people who just so happen to be virilant critics of trans people have them falling out of the trees by the hundreds.

Nope. Only idiots would believe that.

it's not a "study" you goddamn bigot.

I am quite sure atheists rape kids. Not because atheists are pedos, but more because it might be easy to groom a child if you start pretending you are on their side vs their forced indoctrination into religion. As atheism becomes more popular, and more children turn against family religion, the pedos will use that idea to befriend and seduce children. The easiest way to enable them is to do the same things christians do and decide atheists are above things like that because they are atheists.

Though, for the record, while this often gives children a diverse parenting experience, it's still very frowned upon by DCS (at least in my area).

I have mixed feelings about this because of my own experience from the last polycule I came out of. Theres even more room for damage in children and it can also be very confusing for them as far as contrasting parenting styles go and who they're supposed to listen to when parents have opposing views.

BUT, I digress. That's another topic altogether.

Receipts for the ACTUAL data from ACTUAL studies:


A wealth of research shows that 'detransition' rates are very low: less than 1% in a number of intl studies, incl. the report below, which found of 3,398 trans patients who'd accessed NHS support, 16 expressed regret, and only 3 made a long-term detransition.

https://epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstracts-EPATH2019.pdf

also
https://t.co/632HXaROiG?amp=1

If the church operated on security against pedos by having multiple adults around when children are present, and using things like cameras and other security then the likelihood of a predator being able to accomplish things would be greatly reduced. My mother was director of a nursery school for years and the teachers never were alone with the children in private areas. It not only makes it much harder for a pedo to have access to a child, but it also protects against false claims of abuse set up by parents. I escorted bugs and tweety in the mall for holiday events when I worked for the warner bros studio store. Some dude tried to claim bugs molested his kid in the middle of a crowd with me right next to them. The guys claim fell apart real fast because he tried to lie about the situation which had a ton of witnesses, and an employee watching out for a number of reasons.

While having more parents can increase the odds having different parenting styles, this holds true for monogamous couples. Especially in divorced households where the multiple parents might not be in effective/productive communications.
Also, being in a polycule doesn’t necessarily mean having more than two parents. Of the two families with kids in our polycule (and another on the way) there are only two parents with the other partners acting more like aunts and uncles.
I believe you were in a hierarchical quad, yes? I can see how that might be hard (although to be honest I find hierarchical poly hard to wrap my head around, we are all RA). Ours is much more linear with only a couple triangles.

Are you opposed to other people doing it to their kids?

also.... to be very very clear: spreading bigoted hateful lies which seek to delegitimize the validity of transgender conditions serves to undermine our credibility in public spaces and helps legitimize in the minds of some the urge to violently attack and kill trans people (and on a less notorious level, leads to our inability to find housing, employment, health care and other basic essentials of living in this society which can lead to misery, depression , and suicide

In short, Diner's bullshit serves to make it more likely trans people end up dead and he can fuck ALL the way off into the sun with this absolute garbage.

Props for the article, though it may be dismissed considering it's from 2017. I would be interested to see some updated research.

Seconded.

I can't control how other people raise their kids.

Views like his are what keep people like my BF oppressed and afraid. He has a lot of personal experience with folks he respects that end up making hateful statements about transgendered folks years after knowing them and not having any idea that he is one of them. It's really heartbreaking.

This, and this. A blog post with no scientific method with a self reporting sample set with no verification any of those people actually exist as they say they do is not a study. It might be cause to make a study if the idea has not already been studied thousands of times with actual scientific evidence that a minimum of people detransition.

However, this is still @Dinner . He is a local idiot who is merely spitting out shit to troll others. Where I don't mind having a conversation with some people around who would want to discuss things in a real manner, bothering with dinner merely gives him more credit than he deserves. The dude hallucinates shit everywhere and piles of needles from homeless people up to his shins. This is not a sane or truthful individual, and should never be treated as anything other than a racist bigot, and mocked accordingly.

I didn’t ask that. I asked if you were opposed to it.

I would also like to note that @Dinner has still not provided the resources that hes getting this information from.

I'd rather them not.

It wasn't even the first time she's explained this either.

Do you voice this opposition?

No.

Prove it you contemptible lying mother fucker.
Never in any conversation in any setting have i advocated this and in point of fact I have corrected the lies of hateful bigots such as yourself countless times that such surgeries do not exist.

The German pop singer Kim Petras got GRS at 16, to my knowledge no person anywhere has done so at a younger age. nor is there ANY push from any sector to do so - the VERY few who've done so before 18 were considered special high need cases, basically impossible for the average minor.

Neither are the minor cancer patients who receive the exact same treatment as part of combatting the tumor, neither are young cis-kids who are given such treatments (and have been for decades) to avoid what is known as "precocious puberty" - so what?

Delaying puberty has no long-term repercussions, it serves to give the child MORE TIME TO BE SURE which is EXACTLY the course anti-trans bigots insist upon (albeit without medication). A child who goes through puberty contrary to their identity will suffer much expense, pain, and marginally greater risks to their health later in life in order to appease people like you who will never respect their identity in any case.

Fuck off some more, eh?

Aquatic children? What the fuck are you even babbling about?
Bottom line, apart from the random psychopath (equivalent to the parent who drowns her own kids) there is no such thing in human experience as a parent or professional who even attempts to "make a child trans" (and there's a whole fucking industry built around torturing kids to to try to force them to NOT be trans) and the random psycho would be immediately identified by any treating professional and NOT receive any medical support in their effort.

Slower, for the slower among us: there's no such thing as transition surgery for children under 16 and there are very very VERY few worldwide that are done legally (IOW, who knows how many underground surgeries are done to make Thi "ladyboys" but that's a human trafficking thing, not a gender identity thing) on persons under 18

(and honestly, given cost and insurance issues, not a whole helluva lot of those either)

He's lying.