The Impeachment of President Donald J. Trump

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    You’re talking about a guy who covered up wrongdoings during Iran-Contra until the Statute of Limitations ran out. If he’s letting these happen, it’s probably to distract from other things. You know, like his refusal to comply with Congressional subpoenas.
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    I really wish Wohl hadn’t been kicked off Twitter, he was so amusing.
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  5. Professor Sexbot

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    Indeed. I prefer not to watch fake news. And you didn't answer the question. Which option did you think happened? "None of the above" isn't an option.

    You were asked a question earlier and you have refused to answer it, so I will ask again: Do you or do you not believe that the President should have the power to ask a foreign government to investigate an American citizen?
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  6. Zombie

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    Of course a President should have that power.

    If an American citizen is doing something in a foreign country that might be law breaking then yes.

    Like getting a $900,000 payment for "consulting services" to Burisma. Just what did Joe Biden consult on that earned him a $900,000 payout? '

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html

    KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
    Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

    "This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

    He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.
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  7. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    If "fake news" why care?
    How does a number, "51%" somehow transform fake into "real?"
    And are those three guesses the only possibilities that might explain grossly inaccurate polls? Sounds like a lack of imagination.
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  8. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    Why'd we ask Ukraine for info about Manafort?


    Anyway, running for office doesn't confer some kind of immunity to Biden.
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    Barr had a talk with rupert about that and Shepard Smith suddenly resigns. Why is our AG demanding Twitler critics go away from the propaganda network?
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    Regardless of what people on Fox (beyond the lineup of Quislings on the evening shows and on F&F) say about Trump, any idiot knows that the network doesn't DO polls, it SPONSORS polls which are done by a quite well regarded independent polling company. This whole "OMG even in a Fox poll...!" narrative is ignorant - with the exception that the results of a Fox poll end up being published inside the silo of #Cult45 which is typically sheltered from negative data re Trump
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    And the company in question has a good reputation, according to FiveThirtyEight's pollster rankings.
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  13. Quincunx

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    All I know about that is Barr recommended pardons for five people indicted in connection with Iran-Contra.

    IIRC the basis for the recommendations was that those who broke the law believed they were acting in the best interest of the country. Clearly not a consideration for Trump and the Giuliani gang.
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    Six people, but that's not really important.

    Yeah, okay. Just keep telling yourself that. Iran-Contra included the CIA smuggling cocaine into the US so that they could get money to buy weapons for the Contras. Do I gotta mention that this fueled the crack cocaine epidemic in the US and led to mass-murder in Latin America? If getting a portion of your population hooked on drugs and enabling those who commit mass-murder is in the best interest of your country, WTF kind of country do you live in?
    Jesus are you naive. Barr clearly doesn't give a shit about things like human rights. And let's face it, if Moscow Mitch weren't turning such a blind eye to everything that Trump's been doing, he'd have been removed from power before now.
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    Then, where is the oversight? Where's the check and balance on this power? And breaking which law? American law? Foreign law? International law? What exactly is the extent of this power?

    So, the President just decides that it looks criminal to him so he can ask a foreign government to look into it?
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    I don't. I care that @Zombie is spewing bullshit and I'm correcting him.

    It doesn't. Again, I'm responding to Zombie's assertion that the numbers in this specific poll are skewed.

    They are the only possibilities that explain THIS PARTICULAR poll if we assume that it's inaccurate.

    The only people who need imagination in the face of facts are Fox News and @Zombie
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  17. Quincunx

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    The kind of country that was engaged in a global struggle against Communism. Don't look at me, that is what they believed. Iran-Contra was not about people looking to enrich themselves, or gain a domestic political advantage.


    Human rights aren't really at the center of the Ukraine affair. If Barr were part of the Trump/Giuliani conspiracy to smear the Bidens and boost the "alternative facts" version of 2016 election interference, he could have shut down the investigation into Parnas and Fruman months ago. He didn't, is all I'm saying.
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    Not necessarily. Look at how the Guilianists at the US Attorney’s office were able to force Comey to reopen the Clinton email investigation by threatening to go rogue if he didn’t.
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    The right, and @Zombie , don't want any of that. They just want a guy on top who will kick around everyone but them.
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    Damn, it comes to something when John Bolton was the voice of reason in the White House:

    Oh, I do hope he has precognition:

    He also compared Giuliani and Mulvaney's work in Ukraine to a drug deal.
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    Pretty much the perfect comment.

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    Is a flunky writing his tweets, or is his own subconscious trying to call for help? I mean, check the last three words...

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    poor thumb work is all
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    Propublica has obtained docs that show Trump consistently reported one set of figures about his properties' tenancy rates to lenders (who like to see high/increasing occupancy) and another on his tax filings (where losses are used to offset tax owed). Financial experts say it's definitely a form of fraud.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2019/10/never-seen-tax-documents-reveal-trump

    Again, nothing particularly new but drip-drip muthafucka.

    He's been reported as filing different valuations for his UK properties in the UK versus the US too.
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    Well, since some of the forms in question are within the statute of limitations for both tax fraud and loan fraud, I bet some Trump Organization lawyer is busily trying to figure out which one carries the stiffer penalty.
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