I am making this a separate thread because this is a much broader issue than the people who have this with the COVID. This pops up with the drug wars and has made the situation worse. It pops up in the metoo movement and scares everyone into overreactions in all directions. It is the boy who cried wold also so there is that angle. Basically the chicken little's overreact to a problem and through that cause a multitude of other problems in their wake. Take for instance the drug chicken little. They scream and yell that drugs kill so many people and make them seem so dangerous. The problem is they have a dishonest way of describing the experience. They say you will be out of control the moment you take it, you heart might blow up, you will turn into a vegetable, and if none of that happens you will be a hopeless junkie just because you did one drug. Those drugs are crutches, and they destroy everyone who has ever done them. That is the chicken little response to drugs. Then the person tries the drug and realizes chicken little is fucking wrong. Pot just is not that bad. A line of coke is not going to kill you. Even the horrible things like crack, heroin, and meth do not live up to that reputation when you first take them. That is the problem. Because when you first take the drugs you do not see the dangers. When it leads to a fun and enjoyable experience where your mind is opened and you feel awesome but you don't die and crash immediately the chicken little has done their damage. Now the person who was listening to the warnings finds they are lies and the world did not end. Then like the boy who cried wolf people stop listening to the warnings.
I will get back to the anti drug people soon, but now I would like to move on to the environmental scientists. I am going to start with the chicken little of all chicken little's the weather man. Oh how I hate this guy. This guy probably gives more ammo to the idiots than anyone else in the world. Sometimes they are right, but it seems that is when it is so obvious anyone can see there is trouble ahead. I hate Al Roker. He is a personal enemy of mine. He has lied to me so many times I cannot stand it. I wish him nothing but misfortune for all the days I did not wake up early enough to deal with the piles of snow, and all the days I woke up way too early and there was nothing. Down here in hurricane land it is not much better. Fear sells, and the weather people use all the time before a storm to make huge predictions of doom and horror and most of the time it does not work out like that. So instead of being able to rely on a steady and decent forecast, we have chicken little screaming we are all going to die, and this causes people to stop listening when they should, and not get the real warnings when they come because they do not know what the real warnings are. We have to do better in this area. This is a horrible place of lies and deceit that frightens millions of people and cause carnage that does not need to happen. See, I told you this is far beyond covid.
Your leap to "then the person tries the drug" is a big one. At what age do you think this happens? I ask because I don't see many adults post-college age adults who are against drugs suddenly taking the leap.
A VIRUS THAT KILLS PEOPLE OVER 80 IS IN THE UNITED STATES, LOCK IT DOWN, CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE BECAUSE TRUMP!
With pot they might. That is where a problem will occur. Since people like you have hyped up pot as a destructive horrible drug that destroys lives, when it is not, people will get high and realize you are full of shit. When it comes to things like Meth, PCP, and heavy drugs like that people are not dying the first time they take them just like pot. The problem becomes continued use of certain other drugs is physically harmful where pot ia actually a healing herb that has medical benefits. So now when people are truthfully saying don't do things like PCP because your first experience can actually cause lesions on your brain from neurons burning out, you won't be heard as much because the person cannot see that happening. They can watch people smoking PCP right in front of them and the cognitive differences are not noticeable. Now if you maintain an honest and informative discussion about the effects of drugs most people will chose to never do things like PCP, Meth, or crack because that is not a high they want. They may want a recreational pot high where they get stupid and find adam sandler movies funny. If ingested through edibles the pot actually may benefit you physically.
That sort of panicked response is exactly what I am talking about. It is shallow, uniformative, and only agitates people. You are a perfect example of the dangerous backlash that comes from chicken littles clucking. You are not a thinker or a scientist. You are a small brained ignoramus. However, when the chicken littles get to clucking you jump up like the dumb little dog you are and start making things worse in every way. The chicken littles might have a chance to be hushed, but once we have your dumb ass barking all sorts of bad things happen.
I am not particularly aware of the use of drugs by weather people. However, certain very manic weather people might do better with some prozak.
I doubt it. Most people's drug habits are set by college age unless they fall into some downward spiral of depression or something. And seriously, while I believe drugs do destroy lives, including pot, I'm not one to tell people not do exactly that. It's up to them.
What you know about drugs is a fucking lie. This is what I am talking about. You are a chicken little giving out false information and you are just trying to scare people. Do you know what it is like to be high? I am not talking about second hand information. Have you actually done drugs? Because if you haven't you have no experience to speak of.
What do you recommend for a newbie? I did coke back in the 80s. It just made me feel jittery. Alcohol is fine but it has too many adverse health effects. I like pot, but I'm disinclined to smoke it at this stage. Anc was planning an LSD orgy the other day, but that seems like some level 3 shit. ETA: Just came across this review of a new Netflix documentary: Have a Good Trip: adventures in Psychedelics. More often, however, the stories range from the crazy — if less than consistently hilarious, as Offerman promises at the top of the film — to the downright scary at times. Bourdain spins a wild tale in which a young woman drops dead, from drugs he and his friend provided. That unhappy ending is an outlier: For the most part, the stories in “Good Trip” end without incident or long-term damage. Overall, the gist of the film is that media coverage of hallucinogen use is often hysterical. A running gag is a satire of an “Afterschool Special” in which teens (played by Maya Erskine of “Pen15” and other actors) are shown taking drugs and immediately jumping out of the window. In addition to all the anecdotes, the film offers a handful of tips for safe tripping too, some useful, and some not so useful: Don’t do acid and drive. Control your set (i.e., the people you’re tripping with) and setting. Don’t ever look in the mirror — or, alternatively, do look in the mirror.
Just came across this review of a new Netflix documentary: Have a Good Trip: adventures in Psychedelics. - Steve hard pass on psychedelics for me! After watching my wife go through two (count em' two) mental breakdowns, I have no desire to ever have my perception of reality altered AKA be out of my mind - or not in control of my faculties at all times. Nothing against people doing it for whatever reasons, but it's not my cup of tea.
Me either. I want to change my consciousness, I do it thru meditation. Tho I do likes me some scotch or beer every now and again . . .
You know you the best. Worrying about having a bad trip or psychotic break is the best way to have one when on substances that turn your mind in on itself.
Here is another area the chicken little bullshit is annoying. Everyone knows I dislike Biden and think he is a creepy rapey guy and does not deserve to be president. But, dems may get him elected president. So everyone is screaming that is the end of the metoo movement and women are all going to go back to being nothing again. Fuck that bullshit loser mentality. Yes, rapey joe may get the nomination meaning we have rapey joe and rapey don for our choices for president. It is a terrible thing, and I am sorry to all the victims out there because it is oppressive and sucks. But we are not done. We are cleaning up a tub full of sexist shit and they flushed some more in. It is not the end of the world. It is not the end of the movement. We are still coming and still shoveling and things are getting better. I am not saying don't say it sucks, because it does, but it is not the end. I know the republicans are lining up and going to pretend this means that they can be sexist because the dems faltered and they were the supposed flag carriers. This is the precise time we need to go to the dems and strike harder next time. Hit them again, and again, and again. It is like what I used to do when people cheated in paintball. That is great you played on, but if the game becomes play until the pain forces you out I am going to hurt you by raining paint into your delicate flesh until you do the worm and scream out for mercy. Cheating by stacking the system with rapey old dudes just means we can hit the system harder next time because we don't give a fuck about who is in it. Stop being chicken littles.
I did not say stupid stopped existing. Under your example there is a reality of the failure of scientists to make the proper case might have actually been because they are chicken littles and did not properly express the risks of what they were doing. Stupid is going to still do stupid things in the end. This does actually go under my point. All the times the scientists were overly cautious about closing lead people to think they were chicken littles and did not need to listen to them.
Bernie Sanders is a chicken little, too. He's really making a big deal out of this coronavirus thing, saying it's the worst crisis of our lifetime, the worst since maybe the Civil war. Fortunately, the Democratic voters were smart enough not to vote for someone that stupid and dangerous. Can you imagine what damage it would do to have someone like that in the White House? Of course, they simply went for Biden instead, who has also been saying plenty of things about how bad this is, and hiding out in his basement. I guess he's almost as much of a chicken little as Sanders. Actually, the only ones who haven't been chicken littles in this whole thing are Donald Trump and his minions. (Fauci doesn't count; that's why he's always in trouble with Trump—he's forever talking about how dangerous the whole situation is.) Trump has told us that the virus will go away, even without a vaccine, that the number of cases will drop off to nothing, that all the jobs that were lost will come right back, and so on. We're so fortunate to have a man like Trump in the White House right now. He's no chicken little. He tells us what we want to hear, and doesn't scare us by telling us about dangers. to Donald Trump and his legion of counkewas, even right here on Wordforge!
I am glad you mention this. TYT love Bernie to death and they are also chicken littling like a motherfucker on COVID. I totally disagree. They actually laughed at a woman for saying we have an immune system that will take care of things like COVID. There is an argument for protections from the virus in public places and social distancing, but her statements that they were laughing at were completely true and they are totally wrong in saying that an immune system does not matter. The reality is that without our immune system we are dead from COVID. There is no cure that will destroy a COVID infection without our immune system. You are also quite ignorant of that reality. Even when the vaccine comes out, it will require our immune systems to function in order to stop COVID. People with auto-immune diseases will not get the benefits of a vaccine because their immune system sucks or does not work. Yes, that is calling them weak, but that is a fact we have to deal with, and we can possibly protect them with herd immunity eventually. But we cannot stop the world for those people. what we do is we do special things for that small minority of people while the world goes on. The problem with you is you chicken little and when Trump is partially right you make him look like he knows what happened. He can be right in certain aspects yet be totally off on how he got there. People like Trump know how to take advantages of accidentally being correct and turn it to their advantage. That is why you going around saying millions will die from the virus ends up working to the advantage of all the idiots out there who have an argument with decent necessary safety provisions. It is because you lie, and they do not give a fuck about why you lied. They just point out you lied and then people stop listening to the boy who cried wolf about the sky falling. You and trump belong in the same corner because his lies that we are all going to die if some rich people lose their money is a load of crap also.
One of the things that bugs me about the chicken little's in the present COVID system is the way we are adopting the fear of injured people as a prejudice so easily. Yes, covid is contagious and we need to take some precautions for that, but I feel the horrors of backing off of people who are sick and have scars. When I was a young child there was a girl who was horribly burned on her face. I am talking about nursery and elementary school age. There was nothing wrong with her other than she had born scars on half of her face and head. I was one of the only kids who would play with that girl. The other kids an away because they thought it was horrible. That is something that we teach our children. All of my life I have never winced or shied away from people with scars or deformities. People do that and it hurts those who have those conditions. Even the elderly people who's skin and bodies become "disgusting" to some. That is horrible. That pulling away from touch has a psychological effect on how we see ourselves in society. We may not even know it, but it turns into a psychosis. It has been hard over the years for me because I considered my body disgusting and dirty. I considered it filthy because that is how people viewed a transexual. That is terrible to feel, and the people who put that in my head were probably the people who loved me the most. What I am saying is that if we run away from each other because of our natural bodies and their functioning we do Psychological damage to ourselves that we need to overcome. I get that we have to stop the progression of the disease, but we will fuck ourselves up if we start to feel our bodies are dirty and unclean all of the time. At a certain point we have to find a way to embrace the infected or to be embraced as the infected. This is important to our emotional wellbeing and how we operate as a society. The fundamental expression of love and contact is important. We cannot turn this into a prejudice that steps between people. Even at the cost of a lot of lives we have to be able to touch each other and be social. That is of such profound importance to us as a species that in order to go on we have to be able to embrace each other over all even if some people have to be off to the side for a time. If it is going to kill all of society because we come together then society is dead already. That is a fate we might have to face because we are human. The anger and emotions of the right are probably fueled by this deep down and misdirected, but this is the fundamental reason they feel such fear and anger. As stupid and illogical as it may be, it is also part of all of us. So we have to find a way to come together again. We have to do it soon. I understand compulsion, and the longer we try to not do what we need to do we will get more squirrely and insane as a group. For some of us embracing getting sick and the possibility of dying so we can be a community again is the way we do that. It is not about freedoms and rights or the economy, it is about being human and needing other people.
Actually I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the manufacturing and installation processes for windmills, there's some degree of increased cancer risk. A toxic chemical or some such. Probably barely above background risk, but statistically measurable.
As I said before I had my big toe on my right foot amputated, the U.S should never have been "shutdown". Daily death rates me nothing. People panicked over a rarely lethal virus. Same panicky freakout Americans routinely get. The same when a couple of deaths from shark attacks makes the news for weeks on end.
