Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Besides, all Starfleet vessels are clunky anyway.

When a something like a Borg cube can travel at warp, why do you even need nacelles?

This is why you shouldn't try to rationalize or apply any kind of logic or consistency to Star Trek. It's always a losing proposition.

Well, for one, nacelles are anti-matter bombs, and every time so much as one goes up, it takes out the rest of the ship.
So, getting them to fly away in an emergency would be handy.
And they don't need to be physically tethered, they just have to make the warp bubble around the ship.
And it would make it easier to wrap the warp bubble around other ships you want to rescue.
I can see some advantages.
I think we've just grown too accustomed to that centralized warp core for both nacelles.
But remember, Franz Joseph had the nacelles self-contained in his TOS Enterprise plans.
Centralized warp cores were a TMP invention.

Oh yeah, the original Starfleet design was clearly inspired by cocaine. "It's a flying saucer strapped to two missiles connected by a submarine!"

That didn’t take long. This was before we knew anything about the show.
http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2860711/There’s nothing political about it, you’re full of shit as usual.

Proves nothing.
You hated all those other ships, and they grew on you.
Why did they grow on you?
You liked the characters.
Why doesn't Discovery grow on you?
Cuz you hate the characters.
Cuz Youtube Nazis told you to.
I don't have to be a mind reader to know these things, cuz we' ve gone down every rabbit hole with you on this crap.
You and UA used to be proud about hating Discovery and everything to do with it because of gender/race stuff.
What happened?
Why the play for respectability now?
Surely you know it won't work.
We've seen your ass.
We can't unsee it.

You keep ignoring some of the positive things I’ve said about the show and because of this you keep saying I hate the show. If I hated the show, I wouldn’t say positive things about the show. I want to like this show, but the sloppy writing is making it hard.

If anyone here has the time, please feel free to comb the 200+ pages of this thread to find all the times that FF complained about liberals and homosexuals and transgendered folks and the "woke" agenda.

What happened is you cherry picking comments you think you can riff on, and pretending the rest don't exist.

Fixed that for ya.

the thing about the clear plastic mounts...

I can still see them

This is not a good show but I appreciate the effort

This episode gets a 3/10 from me. I had to trudge through it, and the only reason it gets 3 stars is because 2 of those belong to Tilly dropping the sword because she'd moisturized that morning.

I guess a 5 light year wide black hole/wormhole randomly popping up in populated space just doesn't warrant sequential episodes.

Hmm, another Picard tie-in. Interesting.

(Edit: Okay, I guess we already knew that. I watched DIS Season 3 before Picard Season 1, so I didn't notice it.)

Well, if Saru actually believes that Tilly has "intuitive diplomatic skills," that suddenly calls his judgment into question. (If anyone on board fits that description, it's Saru himself, or maybe Culber.)

But if he correctly guessed that Tilly's lack of filters would be a good fit for the Qowat Milat's fondness for candor, I guess he's pretty fuckin' smart...

Another mediocre episode.

We finally see a new ship and a new crew, aaaaand it's gone.

NuTrek loves sword fighting.

How do these people so easily get on the ship?

"That's no moon, it's a space station."

Look, it's the Jedi council.

Was that a Ferangi bartender?

Why not just explain the situation instead of going on a murder spree?

Is Turnham's mom a Magical Negro? Seems like it.

NuTrek just accepts murder like that episode in Picard.

Too many plots to follow is a sign that they just didn't have much of a story to tell.

I wonder, is Grey "fully functional"?

Aaand I'm out.
I tried this time.

In the cinema of the United States, the Magical Negro is a supporting stock character who comes to the aid of whiteprotagonists in a film.[1] Magical Negro characters, who often possess special insight or mystical powers, have long been a tradition in American fiction.[2]

A trope, the term Magical Negro was popularized in 2001 by film director Spike Lee, while discussing films with students during a tour of college campuses, in which he said Hollywood continued to continue employ this premise, expressing dismay. He also said that the films The Green Mile and The Legend of Bagger Vance used the "super-duper magical Negro".[3][4][5][6]Critics use the word "Negro" because it is considered archaic, and usually offensive, in modern English. This underlines their message that a "magical black character" who goes around selflessly helping white people is a throwback to stereotypes such as the "Sambo" or "noble savage".[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

Yeah, yeah, it's a term for the black community to criticize whitey, what teensy bit of leeway us honkies had to use it got ruined by Rush Limbaugh.

Says who, you? You’re nobody.

Oh my god you're an idiot.

Yeah, no.

The concept of black, there, trying to roast pots and kettles.

Tilly did manage to become besties with the Queen of an entire planet who helped them during season 2, I'm guessing that's what he's referencing.

I've said before that within the context of the Voyager crew being full of barely disguised racial tropes and stereotypes, Tuvok qualified as a magical negro from his interactions with Janeway and Kes. (Torres was a tragic mulatto, Seven was an Aryan superwoman, Chakotay was a noble savage, Janeway was the embodiment of "the white man's burden," Neelix was a Man Friday, the Kazon were oldfella's idea of black people with a little alien makeup thrown on, etc")

Can you justify applying the term to Michael's mother, or are you just looking for an excuse to throw around "negro" after seeing some YouTuber do it?

I was specifically talking about her interactions with Tilly. It was the first thing that popped in my mind while watching that scene.

Sorry chief, but you don’t get to dictate to the rest of us what tv tropes we can and can’t talk about. Rush Limbaugh has nothing to do with it.

What about those interactions that wouldn't be explained by a mom speaking to her daughter's friend, or any of the Romulan Warrior Nun ladies speaking to Tilly?

Well she literally had a magic time suit and was able to display lights at different points across the galaxy simultaneously even though we know light doesn’t travel like that. This all in service of the protagonists. She

She did indeed have a magic time suit, but it was Michael that ended up being behind all of the lights. Michael's mother was only the Angel during two of it's appearances that I'm aware of, both times showing up to save her daughter. Regardless I wouldn't say her actions were soley in service of the main protagonists, the way she described it she had been fighting her own version of a temporal cold war against Control for ages.

Tuvok is arguably a magical negro because he has psychic abilities he almost never uses except when teaching a young white stranger how to use their own far stronger abilities (like Bagger Vance), and because he's a respected and experienced academy instructor who likely deserves a captaincy of his own but seems perfectly happy being second officer under one of his former students (again a younger white person) and the leader of a terrorist cell.

We’ll see, but those are the vibes I got from that conversation with Tilly.

I think that's an interesting point to make. Plot-wise, it doesn't fit the type very well in my opinion, because Dr Burnham has more rather than less agency than Tilly in this story. She isn't assisting Tilly, but vice versa. However, the way the character is presented does take up some of the tropes aesthetically, as Dr Burnham speaks passively and apodictically, as opposed to arguing, i. e. she sounds as if she is consulting, even when making major decisions.