How grooming gender works, for idiots like Federal fuckup

This is how society has always groomed gender, and it has been so normalized that dipshits think anything else is wrong.

Cis/straight parent: Our child has a penis. We will make him wear pants, play with violent toys, think his entire existence has to revolve around sticking his dick in things, give him more opportunities, teach him he makes his own future, and beat him the more he cries.

also cis/straight parent: Our child has a vagina. she has to wear dresses, play with dolls, be a baby machine, only find success in marrying a man, is a damsel princess waiting to be rescued, is a commodity we can sell through marriage, should be shamed for sex, won't have opportunities unless it is in an occupation that involves caring for children, and has to wear make up because all women are born ugly.

This is grooming. From birth we are all taught how we have to fit into these social norms. If we stray from them we are punished with mockery and abuse. This is a societal construct we are all groomed to obey.

This is how you groom kids to fit social norms of gender because no child is born knowing any of these things.

@Federal Farmer : stop blaming parents, and others, who encourage children to find their own happiness by expressing themselves. No one tells trans children they are trans. Trans children say fuck you to your grooming and tell us how they are happy. The only thing their advocates do is affirm their choice, and tell bigoted little weasels like you to fuck off and die in a fire.

Not how my sister and I were raised, but we were raised by a single mom, so that may have had something to do with it.

It does not stop at parents, but that is how it begins. The next step comes as you socialize. You are expected to do certain things as a member of a specific gender. So even though your mom was progressive and dressed you in pink frilly dresses on occasion and made you play with pastel ponies along with your toy guns because she was super progressive and raised you outside of the gender norms of society, you were eventually confronted by adults and children who groomed you and told you that you do certain things because you were born with a dick.

In case you are wondering, yes your mom did it too because you abide by gender normative behaviors, and she did not dress you like a disney princess just to show you boys can do it too.

So anyone who abides by "gender normative behaviors" were, by definition, forced to do it?

BTW, I didn't know I could pee standing up until halfway through kindergarten.

They were groomed and coerced to do it. Also, many were actually forced. You need to use the proper words.

But if my mom had dressed me as a disney princess and given me dolls to play with instead of Micro Machines, she would have been allowing me the freedom to explore my own gender behaviors?

Would you like to argue against the words I have said, or continue to just make shit up? Yes, I have not forgotten your tired tactics of obtuseness.

Isn't it good that federal farmer and uncle albert are still around so you don't have to show who you really are?

I wouldn't take parenting advice from either Tererun or FF. Best to raise them as you see fit - assuming you aren't abusing them.

Well, in my defense, your example of "groom" included a lot of phrases like, "make him", "beat him", "she has to", "be shamed for", etc. so I figured "force them" was implied.

But in this case, I literally used your words. I didn't come up with the idea of my mom dressing me as a disney princess...you did...and I consciously left the word "forced" out of it since you took exception to the term previously.

Ah, human nature as a blank slate. That old chestnut? Completely unscientific.

It’s good @Tererun doesn't have children, he would be extremely harmful towards them and the trauma they would undoubtedly suffer from would mess them up for life

That's an expansive enough notion of "grooming" that it really erases any actual meaning.

If you go by the notion that forcing gender norms is abusive to a child, then it does not change the definition at all. How many children have been forced to abide by societal definitions of gender which has resulted in depression and suicide? How many children have been abused for not abiding by their parents and society's definitions of gender? This happens, and it is accepted and considered normal by many despite harming many children who naturally fall outside of societal gender norms.

Just because it is hard for parents to accept they harm their children through grooming gender norms, it does not mean that they are not damaging their children. Much like beating children, many parents justify this sort of behavior through the pretense that it is for the child's own good despite clearly damaging millions of children and causing consistent suicides among gender non-conforming children.

Do you have something to contribute? Fuck no, the boy participates in more discussions around here than you do.

So get back to repping me my little rep bitch. It is your onlyu purpose around here canadian fleshlight.

It's "groomed" because words and stuff.

Which is why every human society is exactly the same all across the world throughout history?

Harmful, yes. Grooming, no.

What I'm wondering is this. If dressing a child born with a peaner as a boy is child abuse, then what is dressing a child born with a peaner as a girl?

Do you know what conversion therapy is? It is a bit more than words. Are you also denying parents do not abuse their kids when they act outside of societal determined gender stereotypes? That is not just words either. What about children who are thrown out of their homes for not complying with gender norms?

I am not even getting to those outside of the family yet. It is just words to ignorant cis/straight people who are complicit and supportive of the abuses. But thanks for your true colors in the matter, and trying to take one small thing way out of context because you cannot admit to reality. You were groomed, and you were so well groomed you comply without even knowing. You also support the grooming of others, and turn the other way when you see it.

Oh, and please do thank your single mom for telling you how to be a man. You would not have known to wear pants and not play with your sisters toys in public if it wasn't for her helping you out.

Do you have any actual rebuttal or is this just going to be @Ten Lubak or @Federal Farmer level replies? My mistake, FF at least posts some videos or a blog to support his point. You did not even do that.

Are you at a loss for words, because I know you can do better.

First off, WTF did you just say?

Second off, it is about gender identity and child preference and has little to do with genitals. But you keep on going down that road and pretending that is what I said. I am talking about children who conflict with societal gender norms being forced to comply with them. This could be trans kids, or gender fluid kids, or just kids like tomboys and feminine guys. It may be kids like Bronies.

Like always, when you cannot argue the point, you decide to derail into something you feel you might be able to win.

Don't even put clothes on them. Not even a diaper.

Tererun has fallen into the classic trap that other non-parent adults fall into. She thinks children come with an instruction book. News flash, Tererun, they don't. Most parents muddle their way through. Most are successful and their children become productive adults. Some people fail. It happens. It's not a slight to you or others like you. In fact, more often than not, it has absolutely nothing to do with you. You need to see a therapist about your anger issues.

Wow, that totally did not address a single thing I said and was a complete ad hom. I used to give oldfella a lot of shit for jumping in front of claims due to his insecurity, and you just jumped right in there like a champ. Are you feeling insecure about something? If you are, reading comprehension is not your thing, and you probably don't want to start telling us you feel guilty of what I am talking about.

Uncle albert's cock ring sure has comprehended what I said on her best level.

What has that got to do with anything?

To be clear, human nature is not a blank slate as the OP suggests. It is also not entirely fixed. We are malleable - within some very definite boundaries.
And that is not to make a blanket judgement on transsexuals, lest anyone suggest that I am. I am referring specifically to the suggestion that we have no innate nature whatsoever and that our behaviour depends entirely on how we are conditioned (or "groomed", as as is being pejoratively claimed.)

IOW the postmodern idea that everything is a social construct is bullshit.