Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

Exactly this. It wouldn't have worked w Prime Kirk for that reason and that baggage.

Although, as people have said already, it would've been easier for La'An to just pick another name and be done with it. I know, we don't get Teh Dramaz like that but there's a reason no one goes by "Hitler" anymore.

Well... her entire family was killed and/or eaten by the Gorn, so her name is probably all she has left of them. I can understand why she wouldn't drop it.

Fuck, her life really sucks.

but it's her projecting her baggage. nothing to do with him.
the conversation they had, he still doesn't even flinch at her name and instead hits her up to hook up. to find someone who'll accept her like that in this universe would be the endgame for her, non?

One hopes she doesn't get taken out by a tar pit.

Yeah, but that's not the identical him that she twigged to. So, she knows she can't have a healthy relationship with him, but as close as he might be to the other guy, it's the other guy that she was originally attracted to.

It's sort of like breaking up with one identical twin so you can date the other one. Not really a healthy relationship possible there most times. And if you're not like this, you've most certainly encountered people like this. You know, the ones who have a toxic ex, that they know is a toxic ex, and that you know if they get a bootie call text from that ex, they are there before the "On my way!" text hits their phone, so you better have a plan for the nightmare your life is going to become as things between the two of them inevitably implode once they get their nuts a couple of times. Yeah. Okay, now suppose you or they meet someone who resembles the toxic ex, but doesn't have the same toxic characteristics, can you really say that it is who that person is as an individual is why you're attracted to them? Are they someone who would be equally attractive to you if they didn't resemble your toxic ex? Or, will you find out to your horror that as their appearance changes, they're no longer attractive to you? And how would you feel if someone you hooked up with said that the only reason they hooked up with you the first time is because you reminded them of their ex?

I gotta tell you, man, I have seen some weird shit like that, and I'm not sure if it's healthy or not. First time I encountered something like this was when I spotted my "twin." I'm in college and I'm walking to class when I see this dude who looks just like me. As you can imagine, I'm a bit taken aback by this. Then it gets weirder. I see this gal I very briefly dated because my buddy had the hots for her sister and they could only go on double dates because this was the South in the 80s and women only went to college to maybe be teachers, but definitely to get that Mrs. degree. Turns out that they're chewing on each other. Whoa! (It'll get weirder in a bit, because I'll be coming back to them. This would have been in 1991 or so.)

A few years after that, my neighbors, who were a romantically involved couple broke up, but "remained friends who lived together." For at least a year or two after that, whenever they got involved with someone else, you couldn't help but notice that they sure as shit were the spitting image of their ex. It was only when the two of them began dating people who didn't resemble their ex that they felt the need to move out and move on. Imagine that.

Now, flash forward to 1997. I'm in the parking lot of the town where I went to college. As I'm getting out of my car, I see the dude who looks like me, carrying a baby. He was followed by that same gal. They were still together, and he was wearing the same style of clothes that I was wearing the last time I saw them. Now, I can prove to you that this wasn't some kind of random coincidence because I had somewhat dramatically changed styles since then. See, in 1990, there were all these noir-era style films out and everybody I knew said that I reminded them of how writers of that era were shown in those films. What were they wearing? Trenchcoats and fedoras. So, what was I wearing? A trenchcoat and a fedora. Sometime before 1997 (probably even before 93, now that I think about it), I ditched them for whatever reason, and I'd long since stopped wearing them by the time I started driving that particular vehicle.

umm... your story about the dude who looks like you kinda suggests that she could go on to have a successful relationship with the Kirk in her universe. (and gawd, yeah.. that whole duster and a fedora look was a very unfortunate period in men's fashion).

although yeah, humans do tend to have types that we're attracted to. A few years ago a friend was really into me, but she's kinda thick figured and plain styled (think Amy from Big Bang)... great person, but I just couldn't get excited about her. SHe hooked up with my buddy who is a similar body type and many mindsets-and in some ways a better version of me-instead and it's going great. Speaking of types-didn't TOS Kirk nail Lenore Karridian despite her daddy? Seems he goes for that sort of tragic... 00

Does it? Or does it indicate that she has an unhealthy infatuation with another person to the point that she'll pursue a relationship with someone who bears a resemblance to the person she's infatuated with? I can't read minds, so I can only go by what I saw. Dude did not look happy being a father, and she was almost certainly the kind of person who had the attitude of, "Well, you're a man, so you need to make all the decisions." If I had to guess, I'd say that she got herself knocked up to keep the dude from bailing on her when he realized that she had the IQ of a turnip. (I'll point out that she looked like Beaker from the Muppet Show, so not like she was fishing with the best bait.)

And while we all have certain "types" of people that we're attracted to, I can't say that I've ever dated anyone who so resembled someone else that they could be mistaken for that other person, even if they did share some of the same characteristics.

In the case of Kirk, it's more than a resemblance though. HE's literally the same guy under better (more realistic) circumstances.

As for your experience, and I don't mean this as a swipe, but that they were still together several years after your fling suggests that while you might have fit the broad category for her, you didn't have enough of the other qualities. You were a prototype, but he was the (re)production model.

Anyway, I gotta head out to work and this doesn't need to be a tangent about anything other than if we've got a new 'ship-which I kinda hope we do. Sam Kirk trying to broker the relationship would make for some good comedy given how he's scared of her and overshadowed by him.

Uh, dude, she was dumb as a fucking post. She went to college to get married not to get an education. There couldn't be a relationship between the two of us, because she didn't have anything going on upstairs. She would have happily had a relationship with me, but if you're someone who wants to learn things and see things, WTF you got in common with someone who thinks that their purpose in life is to get married and push out babies?

Other than things that explicitly require many years to have passed, TWOK absolutely feels like it could have been an episode from S4/5 if TOS hadn't been cancelled.

TVH is super TOS feeling as well and could easily see it taking place in 1970's LA if the show hadn't been cancelled or phase 2 had happened.

Loving this season up to now and excited to see what comes next!

Bogey could pull it off. Your average fat 20 year old who lived at home and still hadn't touched a tit in his life (other than his own moob) couldn't.

Discovery gets a lot of flack because of all the crying, and to a degree I think some of that criticism is warranted.

But there's a time when crying is entirely appropriate and adds to the dramatic effect.

This was one of the times.

I wasn't feeling Paul Wesley's Kirk, either, until this episode.

Now I'm all-in. He's fucking great.

I read this as being linked to her fear that some aspect of Khan's character is lurking inside of her through genetics. Keeping the Noonien-Singh surname is partly a reminder to herself to be constantly vigilant, and partly a way to discourage others from trusting her too completely.

Fuck you. Dusters are cowboy coats, not trenches. I know enough to know that that great big, dumb cowboy crap of yours don't appeal to nobody except every jockey on 42nd Street. That's faggot stuff! You wanna call it by its name? That's strictly for fags!

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Is it about time to fit this guy with a straitjacket yet?

Figures you wouldn’t recognize lines from a cinematic classic.

Oh, I'm very well aware of your badly mangled Midnight Cowboy references. It's just that if this sort of talk is verboten elsewhere, why is it allowed here by you? Hmmm?

I'm not aware of any rules banning references.

Then perhaps I was quite wrong and if so my apologies. As a gay man, I just don't like seeing the word or references to it. I figured it was off-limits on this board or at least limited to the Red Room.

Oh, no. I don't know of anyone who'd object to someone using a particular reference and say that, as a matter of principle, none could be used. Excepting, of course, in situations where it might be reasonably construed as an act of violence against someone here, or would violate some law we could be subjected to. (You know, things like national security secrets, instructions on how to kill people, things like that.)

Of course, I can't speak for everyone here.

Pretty sure everyone in her century (at least human) has heard of Khan.
CPTSD from the Gorn aside, if she's carrying baggage like this (i.e.: self worth/unworthy of love issue) based on a two centuries removed ancestor, I find it doubtful she'd have gotten past the academy entrance evaluation.

I think attribution to signal it's a quote would help.

given your professed style choices, your perception of "classic" anything might be questionable

She did say that she kept getting called "Augment, augment", but with the the emphasis on her accent, so maybe she was made fun of for her accent on 'augment' and not for being the descendant of an augment. She was a kid when that happened so her perception of the teasing could be wrong. But she can enjoy her schadenfreude since the kids that made fun of her may have wound up being Gorn kibble.

Well played.

Okay I was mulling today as I was watching "Ghosts of Illyria" on Pluto and this is what occurred to me:

While it's never specifically confirmed or denied, logically Illyrians are descendants of a human colony. It explains how none of Starfleet medical ever discerned a physiological difference between Una and other humans and how she has a totally normal human last name. If the Illiryans were simply a human colony that abandoned Earth after condemnation over their augmentation research in the early 22nd century they could have had a century or so to establish their own independent identity but not be, apart from augmentation, anything other than physically humans.

I'm not sure why it is more logical that Illyrians descended from a human colony than Illyrians are a separate race who (among other things) engineered their genetics to seem human to superficial scans, or descended from a Lanthanite colony or any number of other possibilities. In the trial episode, we are told some Illyrians can pass as human, and some can't, and Una is one who can.

Seems to me that if Illyrians were supposed to be descendants of humans we would have been explicitly told so.

Also, it would be pushing it a bit for them to have developed their own warp drive (assuming they left Earth when it had warp 2ish ships) far enough to have several colonies across the Delphic Expanse, which they had in the ENT episode Damage.