Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

I have totally given you way too much credit. I thought you were just an angry little man who hated Nazis too much. You are laughing at dead children and cheering the killing of much more than just Hamas. You have really stepped over a huge line and are spewing a very Jew superior anti-muslim hatred that is as racist as any Nazi I have ever seen. I am not saying they are worse, but you are clearly as out there as people who would lynch blacks, gas jews, and do horrible hateful prejudice things in how you speak.

I am thankful that you are cowardly and lazy and seem to just want to incite others into violence for your cause, but if there are any police forces around actually watching this group I hope you are on their radar because I will bet you have violent gore and abuse of Islamic people videos on your machine, and you could probably path back to abusers from your accounts.

I am not saying this about anyone else, but there is a severely voyeuristic sadism to your love for harm to palestinians that would put you very close to seeking out snuff sort of videos from these wars and criminals.

Israeli Minister of National Security, leader of the ultra-wholesome Jewish Power Party and convicted terrorist Itamar Ben-Gvir says that resettlement of Gazans abroad is the "correct, just, moral, and humane solution."
Israel should use the "opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza."
And "we cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/minis...s-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/

Silence from the western media on any of this.

Anyhow, seems the Israelis are extraordinarily worried about the ICJ genocide referral. It could have a very damaging effect from a diplomatic and economic standpoint. Apparently they are preparing to fight it (rather than refuse to participate). On what grounds is unclear but I'm betting their arguments will be heavy on jurisdictional and procedural quibble rather than substance. The odious Mark Regev has already been saying that South Africa have a "relationship with Hamas".

They are still killing hundreds every day but that may be linked to their withdrawal of some troops from Gaza amidst possible moves to a "lower intensity" phase. This would see fewer Gazans murdered, possibly more aid getting in and some loss of attention from the rest of the world. But the bloodshed will drag on through 2024. And of course the other danger is regional escalation, either on the Lebanese border, with Yemen or elsewhere.

This is what I would refer to as turtling. It is a step and then rest, but the rest is really preparing to push the organism towards the next step.

I will be blatantly honest, this would alleviate the calls of genocide while allowing them to have done some pretty fucking awful damage. I will give the zionists the reality that they do play the long game, and in one way that means a longer term of death and more casualties, but in another it does mean true genocide is not going to happen.

I am not exactly sure if this is really so much better than genocide. I am still all against it, but I guess I cannot refer to it as a genocide as the people do have the time to get away from the progress if Isreal allows them to leave palestine. It is a horrible game of we are going to kill these people who cannot stop us if you don't take them in or go to full war with us. It is basically the war Putin is doing. It is not so much genocide as the world is unwilling to do anything to save the palestinians, and that is life.

Isreal is a fucking POS state that we should not be supporting. If and when the Islamic world starts really attacking Isreal because of fears they will be next due to Isreal's open hate of Islam, they had better beware because the people who are not willing to die for palestine are probably not going to want to die for Isreal either. The american military is not goyum fodder for the Isreali government.

If you want to know which person I do not think is in the pocket of Isreal between Biden and Trump, let me just say I do support the non-participation in this fucking bullshit idea because we really could spend money on ourselves here in the states and make things better for us. A little selfishness might be the sort of thing that the US needs to start making it worth manufacturing things here for a fucking change.

US to bring back aircraft carrier from eastern Mediterranean

The presence of the US carrier was meant to deter Hezbollah and others. Is Biden finally turning the screw and signaling to Israel that it needs to change course or it may be left to itself? This aligns very much with the reports of Israel moving to a low intensity phase that I mentioned above and the "timetable" mentioned several weeks ago. Biden can't have this drag on the same way that it has been in an election year.

Notable anti semite Claudine Gay from Harvard is resigning:

[https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/02/metro/claudine-gay-resignation

Plenty of people have been shitting blood over this idea for months now, but when pressed for plausible alternatives to effectively end the violence coming out of the Gaza strip, all they've offered is "What if the Israelis fucked off instead" and "The violence coming out of the Gaza strip is cool and awesome and morally right and should continue until the Jews are all gone forever."

Hamas intentionally uses sexual assault as a weapon. Hamas fighters rape civilians before murdering them. Hamas fighters were raping hostages while holding them. Amaris thinks you can take all of those rapes, "multiply it by a thousand times," and it's still no big deal compared to whatever they're accusing Israel of today.

Amaris, who loves calling the rest of us white supremacist rape-loving Nazis every chance she gets, has no problem with weaponized rape when it's her favourite people doing it. They could even up their raping by 1000% and she'd still be fine with it.

I'm so glad she's here to lecture us on what terrible people we are.

I heard a certain former president only spoke out in her defense to change the top results when you Google "Obama gay Harvard"

Source: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/artic...killed-during-82-day-Israeli-genocide-in-Gaza

There is a newer number from human rights orgs on location saying 30,000+ but it hasn't been published yet, and so I posted the one that has been verified.

Saw two relevant billboards driving out from St. Louis the other day. One saying that ~66% of Gaza victims (its wording) are women and children. The other calling for the release of hostages held by Hamas.

You're good with ethnic cleansing. We know.

The assassination in Lebanon yesterday is going to lead to some bad shit. The Israelis are laughably defending "whoever did this". But hitting Beirut is a red line for Hezbollah. And when they respond, Israel will again play the victim and may use it to escalate further.

The comments were denounced by the US state department. And even Netanyahu doesn't say this stuff so publicly. So let's be clear here - you're aligning yourself with far-right Israeli theofascists against literally everyone else in the world.

It's worth taking stock of your behaviour in this thread. You've sought to dehumanise Palestinians, continually posted laughing emojis at the most obscene reports of Palestinian suffering, stated that Israeli attacks on Gaza haven't gone far enough and now you're openly advocating ethnic cleansing. Might be worth examining how you can extract yourself from this.

Let's say the ICJ makes a finding of genocide against Israel, as it might. Are you going to continue to debase yourself for them then? Or go farther down this rabbit hole?

Oh good, now they are quoting the babylon bee as a source.

You know you are doing the right thing when you have to go to BB for headlines and jokes to support your side.

If it was any other group of people in the world and not the Palestinians, "we should move them somewhere they won't be in danger and conflict so they can rebuild their lives in peace" wouldn't be a controversial statement. It would be a no-brainer, as the kids say. But most people don't actually give a shit about Palestinians beyond using them as a cudgel against Israel, so somehow evacuating "refugees" from "the world's biggest open air prison" is supposed to be a bad thing.

Related:

Gaza: Canada to accept 1,000 applications from Canadians' relatives | CTV News

Oooooh, it's ethnic cleansing!!

Hey, look who's got plenty of time for "performative condemnation" now.

Nah

Yeah, because Hamas has a history of telling absurd lies and you and Amaris repeat them without skepticism. That merits mockery. Also Amaris spent several weeks trying to make the conflict about herself, which also merited mockery.

I'm unclear on exactly what you're referring to here, but I will say that they moved far too slowly in a lot of situations. If you're trying to capture militants hiding out in a facility that also connects to their underground tunnel network, you've got to move quickly lest they all escape through the tunnels before you enter.

I've been advocating separating the two parties for months now, with the party in the much, much weaker tactical/economic/political position moving elsewhere instead of sticking around and fighting until the last of them is dead. If the situation was reversed and it was the Israelis at such a severe disadvantage, I'd be suggesting they be the ones to move. And if I woke up with Q powers tomorrow morning, I'd finger snap both sides to new homes on opposite ends of the Earth and render the entire holy land permanently uninhabitable with radiation or giant scorpions or magic region-locked Ebola or something. But I never actually learned how to snap my fingers, so instead I'm here suggesting this, which again, I think is the best solution for preventing violence and suffering and death in the long term.

And again, you're bitching about it without presenting a plausible alternative. Because your preferred alternative is for the Israelis to be the ones giving up and leaving the region.

I've got something for you to extract

You yourself acknowledged that "genocide" is a nearly meaningless term in modern times, and is mostly invoked now because it generates an emotional response. You sure do object to having the term thrown around casually when it's Ukraine. But you're happy to weaponize the term if you think it'll stigmatize Israel. This is because you're a bad person.

Regardless, I think if the IJC wants to say they've found genocide, they're going to have to explain how their finding of "genocide" differs from the historically inevitable suffering of civilians during a war between neighbors, exacerbated by Hamas highly illegal behavior towards the Gazan people. Most wars are fought between two somewhat honourable sides, insomuch that each side makes an effort to protect and care for their own people. Not only does Hamas make zero effort to protect and care for Gazan civilians, they intentionally put those civilians in harm's way, do their best to make themselves indistinguishable from the civilian populace, and steal humanitarian aid intended for civilians.

But again, you don't actually give a shit about the suffering of the civilians in Gaza, beyond using it to demonize Israel.

Ricky never got back to me on this, but Russia and Ukraine exchanged hundreds of captured soldiers recently. Someone had better tell them that wasn't a legitimate act.

Russia and Ukraine exchange hundreds of prisoners of war | CBC News

Can you supply a real-world example of when ethnic cleansing was uncontroversial?

Yeah, that money I donated to UNICEF and the e-sims I paid for Palestinians to use, among other things, sure were a waste.

Whenever you want to jump off the crazy train you'll be welcome back.

I've given up responding to things that are manifestly stupid, but since you've asked twice...

Capturing soldiers engaged in hostilities is a war thing. That's not what Hamas did when it took prisoners.

Cutting off military supplies is a war thing. That's not what Israel is doing when it prevents delivery of sufficient food and medicine.

We're still waiting to find out if the terror attack on Iran that killed 100 was the work of Israel. But after yesterday's murder in Beirut, they've hit another senior Hezbollah guy in Lebanon just now. They're begging for an escalatory response. If I were in Tel Aviv right now, I'd be very nervous.

To put it another way:

Ethnic cleansing is "we don't want these people to be here," and genocide is "we don't want these people to be."

I won't lie, I sincerely thought enthic cleasening was the politically correct term for "genocide"

An ethnic cleansing is a polite term for genocide. The ethnic cleansing part is the part that usually takes place before the mass murder of people. In the case of Israel/Palestine, though, Israel has decided to engage in genocide first, and then move on to the Trail of Tears.

Yeah, Israelis would prefer it if the Palestinians had moved to other countries after all these decades of maltreatment by the Israeli government..

Since @14thDoctor and @Dr. Krieg found this funny for some reason, a history of genocide and the Trail of Tears for people who will also want to enjoy the comedy.

Indian Removal Act: The Genocide of Native Americans

Source: https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2017/04/17/indian-removal-act-genocide-native-americans/

I recommend this other laugh riot source, the Holocaust Museum of Houston.

Genocide of Indigenous Peoples

Source: https://hmh.org/library/research/genocide-of-indigenous-peoples-guide/

And finally:

The Trail of Tears: Genocide on America’s Homeland

Source: https://nativeamericatoday.com/the-trail-of-tears-genocide-on-americas-homeland/

I'm not sure why the Trail of Tears was seen as funny, maybe I just don't have that kind of humor? Regardless, it was an atrocity, and I remember, in history class, crying about it when I read it, and dealing with the idea that the United States would commit such a crime against humanity, that it would willfully and seemingly gleefully attempt to eradicate an entire group of people in such a way. I found nothing funny about it then, I don't now. I don't know how anyone could.

Tagging someone you claim to have on ignore, who's incapable of ignoring you, is both a dick move and genocide.

The submitted ICJ-CIJ document of South Africa's accusations against Israel for anyone who wants to read it:
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

A few points:

I stopped in the first half of the document. There is a LOT more, including specific dates of Geneva convention violation, war crimes, and other dates of interest. What I posted is a small sample of the crimes listed in the document.

Irish Lawyer Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh will represent South Africa versus Israel at The Hague next week. She has previously worked on The Bloody Sunday Inquiry, Gaza (14 years ago) and Genocide hearings v Serbia. She also worked as the lawyer for the Colston Four.

Israel apparently have Alan Dershowitz, now further implicated as a sex pest by Epstein revelations.

Not sure which thread this belongs in but it's probably related.

The US just bombed a militia leader while in a car on the grounds of the Iraqi Interior Ministry. Iraq says this is a "blatant violation of the sovereignty & security" and "no different from terrorist acts".