A tactic of the complicit passive bigot. T'bonz is a fucking karen

Would a sexual predator posing as a trans woman have significantly more access to women's bathrooms/locker rooms than just a regular man would? Because most of the time, they don't post guards at the door or anything. I've either accidentally walked into the wrong room, or had a legitimate reason for being there, lots of times, and have never had any issues.

If I wanted to do a sexual battery in a woman's bathroom, I'd probably just walk in and hide in a stall. On the off-chance someone noticed me go in, I'd just pretend I intended to go in and take a shit, and accidentally picked the wrong room, apologize profusely, and leave. If I felt a disguise was a good idea, I'd probably put my tool belt on and act like I was fixing one of the sinks. Trans women who don't pass kind of stand out; it's not a good disguise.

Also, if someone's doing creepy shit in the bathroom, doesn't matter who they are or what genitals they have, report that shit. If someone's staring you down and rubbing their crotch, security intervenes, and she's all "nice try, but I'm a cis-woman. I'm allowed to masturbate in here. Behold my naturally-formed vulva complete with cervix and ovaries!" Security's not going to respond with "my mistake, carry on." She'll be escorted out and probably arrested.

Maybe trans women just "pretend to be women" or "indulge their mental illness" because women have it so damn good in our society. Higher pay, better advancement opportunities, etc.

And why aren't we worried about trans men in bathrooms? I wouldn't want some delusional lady judging me for my penis size; I've experienced enough of that in my dating life. Only biomen can see my little pecker, as God intended.

Some of these games have a female only category that has nothing to do with physical abilities and more to do with Toxic Male behavior that has nothing to do with trans women competing. Billiards and chess are games women do not participate in because of sexism and dating behavior. Chess is full of whine primadonnas who are all about how great they are because they are good at chess. The world jerks off chess masters way to fucking much, and chess players are mostly men who could not make it in any other thing aside from a fucking game. The only thing that is impressive about chess players is how they try to intimidate other men with a pseudo intellect about a game. Nothing threatens a shitty toxic incel like that is women being good at their game. That is why women do not want to bother with the game when they have to be around toxic manchildren who pitch a fit when a woman beats them.

Billiards becomes a similar story. The only reason dudes play with women is they want to bend over them and hug them to teach them how to shoot the ball. Which is the fucking worst way to instruct a person on how to make the shot. You would never see a dude show another dude how to shoot pool by leaning over them and holding the cue with them. The same thing occurs when a woman is dominant in the game that all of a sudden no dudes want to play her. It is sort of the same thing with men. The height and breasts could be a thing, but mostly it becomes more rewarding for a man to be good at billiards because it impresses others, than a woman to cultivate skill in the game because women and other men do not appreciate it as much.

The apopreciation of people who are gfood at games becomes the rewards system that encourages men over women to be good at most games. That is not Trans women kicking cis women out. That is just a general difference in what the genders value. I became good at pool because it was something I could play with people, but most of the time those people were guys because the girls did other things as friends. I did not have fun shopping until I went as one of the girls because guys do not want to go shopping as a social activity.

Yeah, sometimes you do when you are better than most at certain games. I certainly do not play the same billiards game I play in a competition that I play with some person at a bar. People get tired of getting their ass kicked, and it becomes don't play or throw a few so your friends think they have a chance. It gets worse in paintball. Most girls did not live in a pool hall for a few years. Most guys didn't either. I had a pool table in my house growing up. So did my sister, but she did not play on it for hours because she had other things to worry about.

It is very much a completely different problem when you are trying to get people involved in a recreational game for the fun of it. There are plenty of spots at the table, and it is an overwhelming lie that women are pushed out because a trans person is playing. Women are pushed out because the gender values of women tend to not be socializing in a competitive game, and on top of that toxic male competitiveness makes it unpleasant to play with men.

I will say if there are trans women playing the game like a man, then trans women need to cool their fucking jets and learn how to play like a woman. Because I will say I have seen women lose because letting their friend win and have a victory is more encouraging to gameplay and having fun than toxic competitiveness. Some women let their men win because they become real grumpy shits when they lose. Losing at a game may be much better than trying to cheer a @Steal Your Face or @Uncle Albert up after you kicked his ass.

Let me just say from the looks on the faces of the men, they do not want me pulling my dick out next to them at the urinal. You know how many times I have to give that reminder of men's room rule number one (never look art another guys weiner while peeing at a urinal) to some bubba who just had to wonder. Yes, it is bigger than your's bubba, and maybe if you laid off the cheese fries you might see yours again someday mr. nubby. There is no addendum, to rule number one that says if the other man is in a dress you get to look in awe at their cock.

now explain that shit to your little boy.

Now, I can't speak as to how big @Tererune's weiner is. I'm trying not to think about it. But now I can't stop.

Anyway. It is true that the number one rule of men's rooms is that you don't size up other dudes at the urinals. It's like a competition to see who can stare at the wall in front of the urinal hardest, or who can get as close as they can to the urinal without splash back. Based on TERF accounts/scare tactics, though, I can only assume women's bathrooms are where girls go to compare vulvas. No--it still doesn't make sense. If women are anything like men, at least in the US, no one is looking at anything...and everyone is avoiding looking at everything like their lives depend on it. That's fine by me. Forget not wanting a trans woman in the same bathroom as my daughter; I don't want my daughter checking out other people's private parts! Let's just leave each other the fuck alone and stop worrying about stupid shit.

The lack of rule number one is why I do not pee in the ladies anymore.

This is a warning for all dudes out there. teach your kids rule number one and enforce it on all fathers in the mens room or lose the sanctity of the mens room forever. There is a problem in our society with dads who bring their kids into the mens room and let them treat it like the ladies room, and that must be stopped now or the kids will take your shit over because of pussy dads who cannot discipline their children.

The men's room is a place of quiet tranquility of the soul where we all ignore the sounds of piss and shit, or silently marvel at the relief the guy who just blew out his colon has experienced. This is not the ladies room. The ladies room is a stress filled place of discussion, art projects, and kids bouncing off the walls. There is laughter, family re-unions, and women doing construction on their heads. There is spackle, cement, and kids popping under the stalls to find their moms because she took more than five seconds to pee.

I will not ever piss in the ladies room again. There is never any toilet paper, and I do not even want to know what the fuck some of those things I saw in the toilet were. I have seen some bad ass men's room stalls over the years, but never like I have seen women's room stalls. I will out the fuck out of myself before going into the ladies room anymore. One of the reasons I will probably never give the dick up at this point is public pissing. I drive a lot and have had to pee in a lot of bad places, and do you know how hard it is to keep your clothing from getting shit on them when you have to pull it down?

I am never getting a uterus so I am sticking with the hose. Yes, that means I will never get the status of female as my gender. For those who do get rid of the hose, face the ladies room, and deal with the shit women have to by passing as one, I salute you sisters and mad props because you give up a lot. This is also whyu I want feminists to win and get a spot at the engineering and design tables, along with some real concessions on workweek, pay, and survival shit because dudes have it fucking easy today. Maybe a long time ago when we had to kill the dinner and make sure the tribe had food, but not today. Today being a man is the easy choice.

I feel like boys learn to be discreet in bathrooms right around the time they start having to change for gym class together--junior high, in my case. Before then I don't recall anyone ever telling me to keep my eyes to myself. After hearing twenty boys hoot and holler because my dick fell out of my boxer shorts, though...damn. Peer pressure is powerful stuff.

BBS drama at its fucking finest.

I never had to be insecure about size. But that is god's big fucking joke on me because tucking is a bitch, and panties are mostly a joke for holding things back unless they are granny panties. No cute underwear for me.

Great. God's joke on me: small pee-pee'd enough to wear panties, with no desire to do so. I'm a modern day Job.

You have not been to the discussion boards I have been to. You might want to get out more if this is interesting you. WF can be good on the geeky ST drama side, but it is nothing like drama in furryland. You have not seen anything until you have seen an otherkin yiff ring go full on core meltdown.

I like the hose, but I would so trade for the smaller version, or at least the one that compresses into a pocket hose.

I was a bag boy, and they make bag boys do everything up to and including janitoring.
Better hope your bag boy washed his hands really hard.
Anyway, I got sent in to clean the ladies room, and the last bitch in there left a horrifying mess.
Between the mess level, and my germaphobia, I was in there a good half hour.
I was getting stink eye like I was in there that long to get some kind of jollies.
I was like "let me know when they make a magic spray that makes filth vanish on contact, cuz I just had bleach spray and elbow grease in there ".
You can't fucking win.

This bit and the discussion of separate water fountains for black and white reminds me of the great scene in The West Wing where a group is discussing allowing gays to openly serve in the military and the officers in the meeting are opposed to it. Enter the Black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:



IDIC.

You omitted the oft-forgotten converse to that bit of Vulcan wisdom: NIMBY (Not In My Bathroom, Yo).

Remember when the Grey Room made up at least half of the traffic for this place?

Great times, bruh

I've often wondered if we would ever bring that back. Drama gets traffic. The pettier the drama, the more traffic, and most often from the people who say they hate drama.

A buddy of mine at work has both a beard and a vagina.
Guess which part of him I'm not likely to notice?

(well, we also have dividers between the urinals at work so it wouldn't matter even if he had the peno-plasty))

Likewise for work related social obligations, my unit manager's husband is a trans man. I'm nervous about talking with him because apparently he's really into sports and I'm not.

Exactly this. Once you accept trans folks as just folks, then you realize they ARE just folks as reductive and tautological as that sounds. These people who obsess over it are weird as fuck, because who obsesses over the genitalia of others except for depraved perverts? Why aren't we keeping them out of our restrooms where other people are trying to piss, shit, or cry quietly while their date is outside flirting with someone else?

Exactly... I don't care how other people piss or how/who they fuck. Ain't my business.


When I first started, I discreetly asked another coworker if he preferred they/them. (He's kind of a hobbit, chubby and baby faced with a "he's not necessarily gay, just British" demeanor). He's out since day one though, so she clarified. Whatevs... dude is great at his job and funny as hell.

Bathrooms shouldn't be segregated by gender to begin with. Who fucking cares? Visit the restrooms during intermission or halftime, and a good chunk of women have no problem peeing in the men's room to avoid the line to the women's room. And guess what? They don't get raped.

Also, @T'Bonz, there is a long-recognized difference between sex and gender. Sex has a biological component, whereas has gender has a social/cultural/mental component. Gender concepts have changed radically throughout human histort. Some societies have as many as six genders.

I'm sorry for whatever abuse you went through, but forcing abuse on others is not the solution.

Nobody should be forcing anything on each other.

I don’t. What was the grey room? I know blue room was diaries or blogs. White room was for porn. What was the grey room?

Except your flapping trap, apparently.

So evidently this is how Dicknuckles browses Wordforge:

Let's melt you in liquid metal!

The Grey Room was to siphon off TrekBBS drama from the RR when we still got foot traffic from there. I thing those threads were folded into the RR after Anc bought the place.

I thought the Grey Room was porn