"10 Things E-cigarettes Won't Tell You"

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by John Castle, Nov 9, 2013.

  1. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Not trying to be a dick, but tl,dr. I think anyone with half a brain should be able to recognize the benefits of e-cigs. They aren't completely harmless, but better than real cigs. Unless you're a rebeloys teenager, you know this already.
  2. Ten Lubak

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    The Pee Wee Herman defense. Classic John Castle.
  3. John Castle

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    No, it's not a defense; there's nothing substantive to defend against. I'm just remarking on how interesting it is that that particular issue is what you're projecting.
  4. John Castle

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    You're right; anyone with half a brain should be able to see that. Unfortunately for people who might otherwise switch to the healthier option, it seems like too few journalists lack even half a brain.
  5. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Using terms like "broad" and "fuck these bitches" hurts your rebuttal.
  6. John Castle

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    Well, I didn't use "broad" in the rebuttal, and sometimes a one page display of righteous anger can be more useful than 500 pages of whispery meekness. The meek shall inherit nothing.
  7. Ten Lubak

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    OMG I'm projecting.
  8. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Anger is fine, but creating the perception of misogyny is something entirely different.
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  9. John Castle

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    Not sure how or why you're perceiving misogyny.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    When replying to an article by a female author, and referring to the people she seems to support, you don't see how saying something like "fuck these bitches" could be misconstrued?

    Not saying you are, just that as an author there have to be better words you could choose.

    You're going for righteous anger, which you have when arguing scientific points there. However once you delve into gendered insults like that you lose the righteous part.
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  11. Ten Lubak

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    It's such a great reflection of Castle's lack of success. He feels that everyone owes him and his fuck off attitude, whereas in real life you take shit until you're the one giving people shit. It's pure entitlement made even more hilarious by the libertarian blanket he wraps himself in late at night when he's lonely. Which is every night.

    Get a clue, you fuck. :lol:
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  12. John Castle

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    Did you think that was witty? Maybe even valid? :itsokay:
  13. John Castle

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    "Bitches" might be more gendered in Australia; here, it's become quite a bit less rigidly so. I guess the only other thing I can add in my defense on that score is that of all the commenters on other forums, on the blog itself, on Twitter, and on Facebook, I'd say right around half are female, and you're the only commenter anywhere to raise this particular concern.
  14. Ten Lubak

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    No really, you're so awesome
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    So, uh... Quitting smoking isn't really that hard. No need for a crutch, you just stop smoking. Give it two weeks to clear all the physiological 'need' and then you can even go back to having a social smoke every weekend or so.
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    "Witty", sure.
    "Valid", damn straight.
    Also "painfully obvious".
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  17. John Castle

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    For a tiny minority of smokers, it's not. For the overwhelming majority of them, it's nearly impossible.
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    This is one of the few situations where I'm likely to ever agree with Castle. Science agrees as well, and has determined that Nicotine addiction is every bit as hard to shake as a Heroin addiction.
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  19. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Yeah, you know when people act like I'm a jerk because I hold normal people to my mutant freak standards?

    Welcome aboard, fellow jerk.

    :diacanu:
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  20. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    I've never smoked tobacco myself (well apart from a couple of times when I was so drunk I actually managed to break the cigarette) so haven't had to go through nicotine withdrawal, so this is prefaced with that fact.

    From your post I assume you have given up cigarettes yourself. In which case congrats. However just because you found it easy doesn't mean everyone else would. The example that resonates most with me is holding your breath.

    Right now stop breathing.

    That's it, just close your mouth and hold your chest still.

    10 seconds.

    20 seconds

    30 seconds.

    Still fine.

    40 seconds. Ok, need to take a breath now.

    50 seconds. REALLY. It's time to breathe.

    60 seconds. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. I'm dying. I'm actually going to die, if I don't open my mouth RIGHT FUCKING NOW it's all over.

    62 seconds: Involuntary breath.

    That's most peoples experience.

    You're fine though. Most healthy individuals could go 3-4 minutes without any damage to their body or brain just holding their breath. So why the panic? Because chemical signals in your body are telling you FUCK THE FACTS YOU'RE GOING TO DIE FUCKING DO WHAT I SAY RIGHT NOW.

    That's giving up nicotine. Take a person off the street and get them to hold their breath for 3-4 minutes without gasping first time. They could if they really had to, and the occasional individual will be able to, but struggling is to be expected. It's all just chemical signals hammering the brain, but those chemical signals are strong.
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  21. Bailey

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    It's not gendered?

    Really?

    It's also used against lots of guys here, but it would seem to be a gendered insult. It's almost always used in a way that could be synonymous with "unmanly". is that not the case in the USA?
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  22. gul

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    He should try to be more inclusive. Would "whores and bitches" work to broaden the target?
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  23. John Castle

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    I certainly don't see it being necessarily so.

    But not, I would think, synonymous with "womanly."

    I think most people would have slightly differing ideas of what a "bitch" is -- the most fundamental common definition I could conjure up would be "an extremely manipulative and passive-aggressive individual." I think that definition holds pretty well as, again, you're the only commenter who's voiced even a hint that there's anything misogynistic about the post, out of about 2,000+ people who have read it in the last 24 hours.
  24. Bailey

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    The post in the whole I wouldn't say that, just offering a viewpoint that some phrases can, for right or wrong, by interpreted that way.
  25. We Are Borg

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    It's pretty clear our resident derp expert was being a misogynistic asshole. Let's look at the context of his post:

    The juxtaposition of "Mary Poppins" and "bitches" is fairly evident, whether JohnSkinofVisionrazerCastle did it consciously or not.

    His deep-seated hatred of the female kind probably stems from the fact that women find him abhorrent due to his execrable personality and lack of chin.
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  26. John Castle

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    You may be onto something. Maybe I have a deep-seated antipathy toward English women who can fly aided only by umbrellas and who carry around TARDISes disguised as purses.

    Or maybe, rather than being onto something, you're just on something. Give it up; get over it. Lastly, and more importantly, piss off.
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    :think:

    Mary Poppins is the 13th doctor! :soma:
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  28. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    she also lacks a distinctive chin...

    Castle's hatred of women combined with lack of self esteem directed at a single mother figure?

    or is it a subconscious thing over his horrible endeavours to write in vernacular being about as believable as Dick van Dyke's accent?

    Dick, of course, had a great chin.
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  29. John Castle

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    Not everybody can be a Jay Leno or a Bruce Campbell.
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    It's been apparent for a while -- though not in this thread so much -- that Castle's usual "Look at me!" routine gains, shall we say, an extra level of less-than-playful venom when women are concerned. :shrug:
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  31. John Castle

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    Aside from the manufactured version offered here, cite some examples.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Must be peculiar to your particular city. I'm pretty sure women hate being referred to as bitches whether its Kanye West or you everywhere else in the english speaking world.

    Maybe you should try talking to a girl sometime?


    I'm fair certain an e-cig never called anyone a bitch.
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