2024 General Election Thread

One of Kamala's best moves has been Tim Walz as VP. As one woman said, the dad you could have had if yours didn't watch the Hate News Network every day for the last decade and turn into an asshole.

But just going on joy and hope, and the fact they can laugh and be happy, and how that pisses the right off. They want us to be terrified and broken - like they are.

Tim Walz is really shitting the bed in this debate.

What debate are you watching? Walz is doing a wonderful job of speaking to the issues and turning the bullshit back on couch fucker V.

Oh wait, this is WAB. WAB hates everything. Carry on, all is right with the world.

OMG Walz is on target and hitting hard in this debate. He keeps turning things directly at Trump while Walz is trying to blame Harris for things she could not do anything about. So far Vance is giving lucid responses in the moment, but it is obvious lies and vapor.

The VP Debate...Eh...?
Reed Galen


Nothing will change based on the last debate of the 2024 election.

If you’re a Trump fan, you’re probably upset that JD Vance didn’t do enough to defend him. You’re probably also impressed by Vance’s ability to lie through his teeth so easily, freely, and repeatedly.

You’re still voting for Donald Trump.

If you’re supporting Vice President Harris, you wish that Tim Walz was better in the debate format.

You’re still voting for Kamala Harris.

As I said in my conversation with journalist Abigail Tracy on the latest episode of the Home Front podcast, Tim Walz would generally tell the truth and attempt to be accurate. He accomplished those goals, if unevenly.

I also said that Vance would lie, deceive, and deflect for 90 minutes. He did all of that and more. Despite demonstrating his role as MAGA’s chief ideologue, Vance pretended he cared about ‘bipartisan’ solutions, and said nice things to his opponent.

He was calm, and seemed all too normal.

Vance as chameleon won’t last past his visit to the spin room. Tomorrow, he’ll be on the trail calling for mass deportation of the brown people and sending women back to the kitchen.

Vance flat-out lied on:

• All of Trump’s record
  
  
• Gun violence
  
  
• The economy
  
  
• The environment
  
  
• Healthcare
  
  
• Abortion
  
  
• Childcare
  
  
• National Security
  
  
• Manufacturing
  

His biggest whopper of the night, and what for me is the most notable moment of the evening was JD Vance’s unwillingness to agree, live on television, that Donald Trump lost the 2020 election.

We saw doe-eyed fear in Vance as he felt Mike Pence run down his spine.


Style and Substance

JD Vance is so slick he might’ve done debate prep at P. Diddy’s house. He carved figure eights in the ice as he skated through a debate that felt downright old-fashioned.

Per Joy Reid on MSNBC: “A smooth lie is still a lie.”

He talked over the moderators (VanSplaining) as they pressed him on his lies around Haitian immigrants, flashing to a confusing answer on an app no voter has heard of (or used.)

Claiming Trump ‘saved’ the Affordable Care Act was absurd but delivered smoothly.

Vance casually remarked that he’d build additional housing maybe on federal land or national parks. Delivered smoothly, yes, but weird. Really weird. Welcome to Yellowstone Estates, please mind the wildlife!

He almost got away with it! But…he face-planted in the 89th minute. “Donald Trump handed over power peacefully on January 20th.”

Governor Tim Walz is not a skilled debater. I don’t think he would have claimed the talent earlier today or after the event this evening.

He was wobbly on a question that no one (me included) would have thought up when discussing the idea of ‘qualified’ to be Vice President.

But like a good second-half team, Walz recovered and plowed ahead, three yards and a cloud of dust. He politely called Vance on his bullshit and brought substance and experience to his areas.

He forced Vance into acknowledging that Amber Thurman’s death after being unable to receive appropriate medical care in her home state of Georgia was a tragedy

It wasn’t slick, it wasn’t even that pretty, but Walz’s job to defend Kamala Harris and make the case for her presidency. He cleared the bar and will be back on the stump tomorrow, doing what he’s best at: Firing up the troops.


The Moderators

I thought CBS’s decision not to fact check the candidates was chickenshit. It was a cop-out after Trump’s goons worked the refs for two weeks. Vance was clearly full of shit on almost every question, yet they didn’t challenge him, even in the form of follow-up questions.

For example, the idea of using the ‘democracy’ question as a First Amendment argument, given JD Vance is Peter Thiel’s butler and sits at the right-hand of Elon Musk required a follow up.

The questions seemed oblique, as if they didn’t want to ask about hard issues directly. Given these men are vying for the second highest office in the land, sacrificing a little decorum for clarity would have made sense.


Vance, Part II

It’s important to recognize what JD Vance was doing tonight. Authoritarians, though they often tell you exactly what they want to do, are not at all afraid of using tactical retreats when it serves their purposes.

Vance’s performance was an object lesson in understanding that the plan you’re pitching to the American people is a loser. He drove Donald Trump and MAGA through the car wash tonight, hoping voters won’t notice he’s still driving a kubelwagen.

Knowing that he’s less likable than most social diseases, JD Vance only highlighted his creepiness by staring in the camera and discussing his kids and family. It came off as contrived, because it probably is.

I didn’t like JD Vance before this debate. I find him more loathsome and dangerous now than I did two hours ago. Five weeks from now, I hope he loses. Even if he does, it’s clear that JD Vance has all the ability to be MAGA’s next tribune.

I think it’s still 50/50.

One thing is certain: Couchfuck McGee can definitely lie faster than his master can.

https://x.com/thelincoln/status/1841315025916489932?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

https://x.com/davidwright_7/status/1841334476904743325?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

https://x.com/likebutterfield/status/1841324979821965626?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Great summary of the debate.

Personally I thought it was the best debate we have had in awhile. Both candidates were civil to each other and lots of issues were discussed with mutual respect. That might play boring to some, but for me it was refreshing after the gutter trash we've been subjected to for the last couple cycles.

Far as who won, I thought it was a draw. Waltz had poor first hour punctuated by the weasle answer to his tianiman square gaff. Vance was much more polished and seemed better prepared. Reminding people that Kamala Harris has been the vice president for four years and has had plenty of time to fix things was a fair charge. Waltz made up for it in the last part of the debate by pinning Vance down on the non answer to whether or not he thought Trump lost. Also got a good zinger in by reminding people that had Pence not done the right thing on Jan 6th, he would be the one on that debate stage instead of Vance.

Vance didn't come across as a couch rapist, so he won.

Saying a Vice President could have fixed anything except maybe a flat tire is not a fair charge. It's bullshit. It's a good talking point though. What's a V-P gonna say, that the job is as useless as tits on a boar hog?

I fell asleep early in the debate, and haven't had a chance to watch it all yet, but...

As cringe as Vance is, he's far less cringe than Trump, and it was refreshing to see a republican candidate at least trying to come off as a competent politician.

Mass deportation to ease demand on housing? Yeah, because that's the cause, not all the people buying up residential properties as an investment and keeping them vacant...

One of my employees used to work in NYC and a friend of his sent him this pic of the high-tech setup for shutting off the mics CBS had in their production truck.


“You want me to set up a Yamaha or Tascam board to kill the mics?”
“Nah. Just run over to Home Depot and we’ll figure something out.”

Small correction, it's not people, it's LLCs and corporations. But yes.

As someone who spent almost a decade trying to buy a home,I can tell you this:
Haitian immigrants are not swooping in to buy a million dollar home with cash. Migrant workers aren't colluding with realtors to offer token open house presentations after an offer has already been made and accepted before the listing was even public. Venezuelan Asylum seekers aren't buying up homes and "flipping" them to drive up the average home price in an area.
No, that's all good old Americans.

Corporations are people, the legislature said so.

Correct. Only the Chinese do this

And Russians buying units in Trump properties.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/caroline-giuliani-trump-kamala-harris

Watching debate now.

Moderator: "So, Iran launched some explody tubes at Israel. What are you going to do about it?"

Vance: "Before answering that, I'd like to talk about myself for a bit. I'm JD Vance, I'm 36 years old, I am thrice divorced, and I live in a van down by the river. I like long walks on the beach, piña coladas, and getting caught in the rain. I grew up poor but got out by joining the marines because that's really the only way out, and should be the only way out. I did it so I don't see why everyone else can't. Also, as a veteran, I should fucking know better than to have anything to with the Trump administration. Oh yeah, Iran bombed Israel... hmm, what do do about it. Well, what do they want to do? Maybe we help them do what they want to do?"

https://x.com/astradisastra/status/1841484068157841570?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Vance's only job was to move his unlikeability from historical disaster to "kinda gross"

Which, for those who actually watched, he may have.

But most didn't watch.

https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.bsky.social/post/3l5ncgmcdyc2f

riley no!

or maybe it is aiden?

or maybe federal farmer?