A Chart to Help Those on the Fence About Punching Nazis

Yeah, that argument isn't going to fly. Self defense would be if they took a swing at you or were threatening you with a weapon, not "if they get into power they..." What is it with this weird assumption that recognizing people we don't like have the same rights we do somehow means we're electing them into power and letting them do whatever they want.

Shut the fuck up.

I'd take the self-appointed armchair civil rights attorneys a lot more seriously if they'd been consistent with it over the years, and had stood up for a non-bully or two in the mix.

Oh, so you want some virtue signaling, do you?

Holy shit, WAB is right, shut up.

Anna- "In order to defeat Nazis (read: real Nazis are likely dead by now, these are pretend Nazis), we need to act like Nazis."

Shut the fuck up.

Kiss my mongrel ass, racist.

Hey dumbfuck, these aren't the same Nazis your grandfather fought.

I didn't actually get to the comic in this thread until after I had posted that. And you once again misunderstand the First Amendment--by it's nature, it restricts government actions on certain speech. What do private citizens like myself have to do with it? I cannot violate the First Amendment by the very definition of that amendment, unless I'm a government official.

Shut the fuck up.

So are you going to stop pretending you aren't making excuses for white supremacists after this post?

Talk about catching your kid with his hand in the cookie jar.

So why should we treat Nazis in 2017 any differently than Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s? You seem to be making that argument, but you haven't explained why.

You should also shut the fuck up.

If one is physically attacking you, sure. But because you disagree with their views? Nope.

They're not even the same people. The imbeciles marching in Charlottesville have very little in common with the German National Socialists except a general discontent and a tendency to blame others for their own problems.

If you can punch out one of these Nazis because Hitler, then you should also be able to punch out a socialist because Stalin.

There are many, many, many steps between here and there (presuming that is, indeed, what these modern Nazis even want) and all of them are legitimate barriers to that happening.

Speaking and marching is not acting. If marching and speaking against someone is the same as inciting violence against them, then Black Lives Matter is inciting violence against the police.

You have not the first fucking clue about me or my social circles.

So in your opinion, "we're not non-violent, we'll fucking kill these people if we have to" is not enough to justify self-defense? No one can ever act in self-defense from a threat, they have to have been physically attacked to defend themselves?

So even though they are espousing incredibly similar ideals, the fact that they are not literally the same exact group of people does not make them Nazis? So we should not ever worry about the resurgence of Nazism because they're already dead?

We fought a war against Nazis, we didn't fight a war against socialists. Nazis exterminated over 10 million people and nearly conquered Europe. In contrast, socialists brought us such concepts as the eight-hour workday and weekends.

Because thay aren't in any kind of power, they aren't burning Jews, they aren't waging war. If they are being violent, personally, towards you, then by all means defend yourself. If they are protesting and nothing else, then they have every right to because this is America and not Nazi Germany. The real Nazis of the 1940s were ruthless, evil bastards, these people are pretend Nazis.

So the Chamberlain approach. Wait until they are actually killing everyone before we act. Even though they are literally stating now that they want to kill non-whites.

In federal farmer's defense it would be convenient if he could legally run over all non Nazis. This way the next time he goes drunk driving, aka a day ending in y, he is less likely to be charged with vehicular manslaughter. I just don't think we should become a Nazi nation because he cannot catch a cab from the bar.

One important thing to note about punching Nazis is that not only is it okay, it works and is needed.

Every time a Nazi yells Seig Heil or throws up a Nazi salute he needs to punched in the face until he learns not to do that in public. We can't normalize these racist fucks. That's how they win.

https://medium.com/defiant/punching-nazis-totally-works-fb9cb4952be3

Just to be clear, we're talking about civil disobedience here, right? Nobody here really thinks people have the legal right to punch someone for being a Nazi in and of its self. Right? Right fellas?

No difference between socialism and Stalinism? No difference between National Socialism and BLM?

So we'll put you down for the 'swastika? what swastika?' camp then, shall we?

Are they out marching, waving Nazi flags and all the rest?

Yes, punch away.

When you have a moment check out the article I posted.

Now if they keep their genocidal and seditious thoughts to themselves then no, no reason to hunt them down.

You're dropping plenty of clues lately, buddy.

Being physically attacked first has long been pretty much one of the requirements to use violence in self defense.

I would extend it to someone menacing you with a weapon but that's about as far as I would go.

Actually, threats or reasonable fears of bodily harm have long been sufficient criteria for rightly invoking self-defense.

And there are legal means, not including punching someone, to combat such things.

I agree. And there are legal means for addressing scenarios where someone happens to punch a Nazi. Hence my earlier post:

But, apparently you thought it was dumb to try people charged with punching Nazis. You can't really keep a consistent and coherent argument in your head, can you?