A member was banned.

Goldeneye was banned because CM had access to his account.

The lesson:

Don't bring your significant other on to Wordforge. If they go psycho and get themselves banned, your account will also be locked.

Technically, Goldeneye was here long before CM even knew [-]Vandy posted here and decided to stalk her[/-] this place existed, which is why many were upset that he got the boot as well.

That said, between that, Missy M, and Eccentric/Meka, anyone would be a fool to hook up with someone on the board and make a public show of it. If I got with any WFer, WF would be the last people I'd tell about it.

I was glad that CM stalked Vandy. It's too bad she had to turn evil.

"Austin Powers IV: BannedMember"

Ah-HAH. This statement right here points out why we've got at least one unjust ban because of this mess. (I just don't know if I'm smart enough to be able to diagram it all out.)

Goldeneye was banned preemptively, allegedly so CM couldn't use his account. But clearly we've had that issue come up and it didn't require a permaban before. MissyM had accessed whatsisname--her boyfriend's--account on more than one occasion--usually to make up some horrible lie about him. Each time, what happened is Whatsisname's account got locked until he was able to get MissyM back into her straightjacket and then he was let back in. So if that was the reason Goldeneye was banned, it was wrong to ban him--certainly permanently.

Furthermore, it's been proven that CheekyMonkey registered over at Trollkingdom. Hell, she's even started a thread there about this whole thing. If the intent of banning her and Goldeneye was to keep her from revealing private information about Elwood, then permabanning both of them was pointless, as clearly she's still able to get online and reveal whatever deep dark secret she's supposed to have about Elwood. And furthermore, if CheekyMonkey really was Phil_R, and the reason she was banned in the first place was because it was vitally important to keep her from revealing some deep, dark secret, then the whole thing still falls down on analysis. Just what was CheekyPhilMonkeyR waiting for. Did he/she/it want to completely lull us into security before springing the aforementioned Deep Dark Secret? (henceforth DDS)

So if the same person was behind both CheekyMonkey and Phil_R, and the reason for permanently banning this person was so they couldn't reveal the DDS, then the very fact that Phil_R was able to post here and positively contribute for so long with no sign of ever revealing said DDS means it was a mistake to ban not only "him" but it was a mistake to ban CheekyMonkey and it was certainly a mistake to ban Goldeneye.

The other alternative is that Phil_R isn't CheekyMonkey, so it may or may not have been a mistake to ban CM and GE, but it was clearly a mistake to ban Phil.








[For the record, at this point I don't care one way or another, as the owner of the board, Elwood can do whatever he wants, but this whole thing still makes for an interesting case study to me.]

Goldeneye was banned via the Bush Doctrine.

You've got some unbannings to do... fearless faceless one...

I'll free them if they humor me.

http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94706

Curiouser and curiouser...

Hopefully Phil can return if he is indeed who he claims. He seemed like a good guy.

Yeah, a little fucking bird told her.

More like it was him and now that we figured it out she's trying to confuse us.

I dunno. That may be. It sounds like you guys had some fairly solid circumstantial evidence (although Paladin has pointed out that it isn't airtight).

But this still raises the question from last year: If CheekyMonkey was such a Deadly Threat to this place, if she knew some DDS so perilous that not only did she have to be permanently banned for ever and ever, a guy who apparently was dating her also needed to be banned forever and ever... if she was such a huge threat...

Then why did this Phil_R--who you say was CheekyMonkey--post for God knows how many months (and I mean that literally, since that member appears to have been deleted from the member list) without revealing said Deep Dark Secret?

There is no if. CheekyMonkey knows personal information about Elwood, and has shown malicious intent towards him in the past. She did her best to defame him by trying to convince everyone that he was not what he said he was. If that doesn't show malicious intent, I don't know what does. The only reason I assume that she hasn't hit the nuclear option is because Elwood has the same information on her. However, I doubt she values her privacy as much as he does.

Anyways, that's all largely irrelevant, the only question here is whether or not phil_r is CheekyMonkey. Whether or not CheekyMonkey should have banned is not up for debate, so drop it.

If that is true, then clearly you guys screwed up and [-]banned[/-] deleted an innocent poster. I mean how long was Phil a member here? Did he ever do anything out of line?

Phil_R is not deleted.

http://www.wordforge.net/member.php?u=1776

It doesn't matter if phil_r never did anything out of line, if he is CheekyMonkey, which there is a large amount of circumstantial evidence that says so, then s/h/e/it is banned.

Would you argue that polarslam shouldn't be banned because he makes a dual but doesn't start any trouble with it?

No of course not.

Actually? I'm glad you mentioned this, because I was considering starting a thread on it myself.

If polarslam started a dual that posted for months with no sign of misbehaving, would I ban it if I found out about it?

No.

I wouldn't ban him.

Look. If whoever was behind polarslam PM'ed me begging to come back and promising to be nice, I'd tell him to go pound sand because as polarslam they'd had more "do-overs" than anyone rates. If they created a dual and I found out about it within the first day or so of posting, I'd probably kill the dual. But if I found out about that dual months later and the dual was abiding by the rules of Wordforge--and no one else was making a stink about it (because said dual hadn't "outed" himself in some way), I'd let him stay.

That might seem odd, but that's what I'd do. For whatever reason, "polarslam" was a persona that was incapable of behaving within society. If the person behind him managed to sneak a dual under the wire and demonstrate that he could play by the rules, I would allow that dual to continue to exist (although I'd definitely keep my eye on him).

Hell, didn't someone hint that polarslam HAD a functioning dual here? What if it turned out that Bryce was a polarslam dual? Would you ban him? TKO? What if it turned out that polarslam wasn't really some Canadian dude, but had been a teenage Latina girl all along and she'd dropped the polarslam persona to post as TKO? Would you ban her?



Of course that is all a moot point. Because the question isn't what would I do. It isn't my time and money that goes into keeping the place open. But that still doesn't stop me from pointing out something when I think you guys have made a mistake. Whether you believe it or not, I'm not a bad guy. I've got a decent amount of experience dealing with people and when I first broached this subject, I did it tentatively and with an open mind. I did it, to see if you guys had considered some of the points I'm arguing now or just reacted reflexively. That these feelers got met with hostility is why I'm being such a pain in your asses in this thread right now.

True - we don't ban teenage latina girls here.

Yes, I would.

You did not handle this tentatively and with an open mind, you changed your user title to Disgusted and your location to: Starscape, TrekBBS, or TK; implying you weren't going to be here anymore.

As administrator, do you read Elwood's PMs? Because everything you describe above happened after the tentative, open-minded bit, which occurred discretely via PM.

Ask Clyde if you don't believe me.

Geez, ya'd think CM promised to suck Volpone's dick for all the defense he's giving her!

I have read Elwood's PMs (and yours) and let me just say, they bore the fuck out of me. Never have I seen someone so obsessed with the effects of greenhouse gases on standard cauliflower crop yields in the central U.S.

As is the case with the decision to ban Phil_R and to ban GoldenEye, you are wrong.

Yup. I'm not sure this topic really rated 3 pages.

Hmm.

No word from Nick in over seven hours.

It seems pretty straight-forward. Either CheekyMonkey couldn't keep her mouth shut, so she (and GoldenEye) needed to be permanently banned and Phil_R really wasn't CheekyMonkey and got banned unjustly.

Or Phil_R really was CheekyMonkey and, for four months managed to not say anything about Elwood, demonstrating that she (and Goldeneye) were initially banned unjustly.

Which is it?

(This is the part where, if I were Kirk, I scowl at Nick and smoke starts coming out of his ears as he intones "DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE." )

I banned Nick.

Nick hasn't been on the board for eight hours, people do have lives off the board you know.

As for your complaints about waiting so long before banning, it seems you have created a situation where nothing could be done right.

If phil_r had been banned almost straight away on minimum evidence you would have complained that it was unjustified, but when Elwood waits to be sure before doing so you complain that it took too long.

Oh, someone created a no-win situation all right.

But it wasn't me.

Starfleet Academy?



"I don't believe in the no win scenario."