Andrew Golden killed in car accident.

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    I'd prefer he didn't rest. I want them to keep him busy. Forever.
  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    The "R" does not stand for "rest".
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    Good point.

    Forgot about that.
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    Another successful product of the Arkansas education system.
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    Of course, if you believe in Christianity, and he made a sincere request of God to forgive him for his actions, you have to accept the idea that he's now in Heaven. So, as much as you might wish him to be in Hell, there's a non-zero chance that he's in Heaven. I'll also point out, that if his victims didn't die in a state of grace, then they're in Hell. Be really ironic if a mass-murder was in Heaven, while his victims (or at least some of them) were in Hell.

    For many people, this kind of thing makes them question religion. For other people, it makes them double down on their particular mythology. YMMV.
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    I'm always reminded of this sketch:

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  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    So. I've read a lot about him and his accomplice and I've never seen any indications he asked God to forgive his actions.
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    So? You're not god, and you've no idea what was in his heart at his time of death.
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  12. Dayton Kitchens

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    Irrelevant. I can still have an opinion. And it is obvious what my opinion is. Even if he repented and is in heaven, then he still deserved to die for the five lives he helped take that day
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    Not if you believe in an afterlife. You have to accept the possibility that he's in Heaven.
    And just like assholes, everybody's got one. Unless you have a colostomy, in which case, you've got two!
    That goes without saying.
    Sure took god long enough to kill him.
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    God does not operate by human concepts of time.
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    He was 11 when he did that. It seems unlike the other one he wasn't doing more things wrong despite a horrible start in life. Maybe it is for the best he died. Pulling the trigger at 11 is not like pulling the trigger later in life.

    I know a woman who when she was in her early teens ran away from home to be with her boyfriend and another couple she knew. They came up with an idea to use the girls to lure some guy to a hotel room to have sex with them, and then they would rob him. You have to be a scumbag to go have sex with a young teen girl anyway. The boys went crazy, things went wrong, and the boys shot the man dead. He was a father with kids who was a police officer. She was part of the crime, and part of the plan. Maybe not to shoot the person, but an adult would know that is what armed robbery would lead to.

    She did years and did not get released at 21 because they tried her as an adult. Now that she is out she has a loving husband, two kids, and is really dedicated to living a good life and helping others out. She puts her all into everything she does and she is a strong person who does the right thing and lives admirably. She has even contacted the kids of the man who dies and done what she can to heal them. Of course, this is much later in life.

    We are all so much different than we were as kids. The people who I want to punish are the people who allowed the guns to get into the hands of an 11 and 13 year old.
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    Well, your doggie god operates seven times as fast as the human god according to the math. humans would have a human god which is something your tiny dog brain would not understand anyway.
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    And, according to you, doesn’t need to operate by human standards of morality. Which means that it’s entirely possible that Andrew was acting as God’s instrument when he killed those people. If true, then he should be praised and not condemned.
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    Andrew Golden did, so God's experience of time would seem fairly irrelevant.

    Also, how do you know?
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    If you had read the background on the shooting you would know that no one "allowed" guns into the hands of an 11 and 13 year old.

    Johnson and Golden stole the guns which were locked up.
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    Locked up so well an 11 and 13 year old can get through your security is not good enough. That is negligence.
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    To give our dog @Tracker and idea of what humans can do

    I had a friend who was the son of a cop when I was a teen. His father was a gun enthusiast. He had a large collection and kept it in their home. His wife was a dispatcher and took martial arts courses and was good with swords, so they had them too. We were sneaky motherfuckers, and we all liked guns, but not only were they securely locked away where we could not have access to them even if we wanted, but they also made sure to educate the kids that guns were not something to be used unless adults agreed it was time and they were needed.

    The careless and unsafe way most gun owners regard their weapons is terrible. If they respected them more there would be a lot less tragedies like this.
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    You can disagree all you like @Boy, but that is how it should be with humans.
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    You're being two faced. You refer to me as a dog because I have a picture of my dog as my avatar picture.

    You don't refer to @Tuckerfan in a similar manner who has a cat as his avatar picture.

    Nor do you refer to @RickDeckard as Alexandra Ocasio Cortez even though he has her picture as his avatar.
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    Good boy, now be sure to poop outside.
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    no shit Sherlock! God told Adam that if he ate the forbidden fruit he would die "on that day" yet Adam lived for HUNDREDS of years after eating that fruit! :huh:
    Oh that's right - on that day Adam died spiritually/symbolically/allegorically/etc. but not literally because that would be silly! :yes:
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    You are talking to a dog dude.
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    FTFY.