Anyone here currently playing D&D 4th Edition?

Hey, no worries buddy. I would be overwhelmingly happy for you if you do get the jerb. Even though the group would suffer the loss of Melnor, I hope you get it. It would also be nice to have a friend in the games industry. And if they ever need a scenario writer, I'll be handing my resume to you.

Also wanted to say you shouldn't be beating yourself up over your perpetual unemployment. Things are bad in this economy, and eventually, they'll rebound. Just hang in there and enjoy the time off.

This summary is for wizard_666, who, due to circumstances beyond his control, missed tonight.

And wizard_666, I'll be sure to call you next week before we play. Also, we are good to go for December 3, 10, and 17, but they want to take 24th and 31st off for Christmas/New Years. Fighter will miss the 10th as well due to company Christmas party in Banff.

Man, those two fights took 4 hours!


P.S. Melnor sat out the fights, but took the three pirates to the jail in Hope, and then brought back ALL the NPCs.

Oh god, so let me get this straight...not only did I return with a bunch of people I would've typically left behind, but on top of that my character didn't insist on a reward? What the hell man? I was under the impression that my character would meet up with them after the fact, but if he was there, then there's no way he wouldn't have insisted on a reward. Can't even forget the date for one week without having shit go completely wrong. *sigh*

Well, you were not involved in those fights (no character sheet). It could be said Melnor ended up returning after they had fought the wood beholder. The party did, eventually, ask for replacement arrows and bolts, plus the merchants scrounged around and managed to gather 200 gold pieces for the party.

And....how did you know you returned with all the NPCs? I made no mention of it in my post.

And I quote:

P.S. Melnor sat out the fights, but took the three pirates to the jail in Hope, and then brought back ALL the NPCs.

That's how I knew man. I am well aware of my own character's name. However, that makes sense, I couldn't demand anything if I wasn't present. I still say I would've left the entourage behind. A character relying on stealth to reach the party would not take along a noisy gathering of non-combattants through dangerous terrain. Just because I knew that I would just arrive without an encounter doesn't mean my character would. That's the sort of detail that should have been obvious and wouldn't be written on the character sheet, so you can't use that excuse

However, what's done is done, can't really change it now, so whatever.

Comeon let wizard fight a overgod like Ao.

Now explain why my character would be motivated to try that?

Dieties need to be all wiped out t ype of campaign.

My character lacks any real motive to attack a diety. He's not really attached to anyone in particular, so attacking friends won't necessarily provoke him, and there's not much monetary wealth to be had from attacking a diety like there would be from attacking, say, an ancient red dragon. Without some reason to battle a god, I just don't see him doing it, regardless of what the campaign may or may not require.

How about learning a dieties true name for a lot of money?

Hmm, I did not see my P.S. to you.

Well, there is a part I did not mention which may lead some credence to the story.

I would imagine whether you came to the camp yourself or with the group, the NPCs would have followed either you or Paris/Harriette.

And Baba, there isn't much involvement with deities at this point, so your point, like some posters on this forum, is worthless.

I don't think it's the point that's useless, just the poster of it

Seriously though, that does make more sense. Even if I went solo, it stands to reason that I would arrive with them if they were going in the same direction...however, it would be more likely that I would stop to rest after dropping the pirates off. Moving solo, I'd move far faster than a group of travellers, and likely caught them on the road at some point and tagged along. Of course, that's just semantics and has no real bearing on anything if the rest of the party only knew we arrived together.

Hey Wizard, remember that spider fight? There were two rings in the pit. One was a Ring of Vigor, and the other was Ring of Tough Luck. The Cleric had to use the Ring of Tough Luck yesterday, but I was wondering how many charges do you have left on the Ring of Vigor? If you have your character sheet handy, I'd like to know, otherwise, I'll just ask you on Friday.

Um...you never said it HAD charges, and rings are generally assumed to not have charges. Also, you put a restriction on it (can only be used once/day), which is typically used instead of charges. If it has charges, it can be used any number of times until it runs out of charges. I can't think of any item in any campaign ever that has used both limited charges AND a usage restriction. Perhaps Baba knows something, but as far as I know I've never heard of both. And yeah, you never said it had limited charges, just that it could only be used once a day.

Scorp, I just realized Friday is the 3rd...I have concert tickets that night. My buddy bought them for my birthday in September, I just didn't realize it was a Friday...usually the concerts we go to are in the middle of the week. Hate to do it, but I'm not making him waste his money.

That's the danger of missing a game session. Your character becomes the DM's bitch for a while...

Should scorp use wizard's character as a hooker marso?

Why would he do that? My character has the easiest out in the world...he's a halfling that drinks a keg or two every time we stop in town. All he needs is a debilitating hangover...

Yeah, that's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. I wrote it down as no charges, just once per day. I was wondering if I got the rings mixed up. The OTHER ring, however, had charges, i.e. 10 times. I thought it was limited to once a day, however, and played it that way last session. My mistake.

You are missing next week too? Damn! What concert is it?

Blind Guardian. Like I say, I knew in September, it just kinda slipped my mind with the events of the last couple weeks.

Anyway, if it was played as a once a day thing, you should probably just leave it that way unless it's effect is too overpowered to justify it. I can't remember if it was or not, but I don't think it was. That was the one that you could roll extra times and pick the best result, correct? I would say that with a once a day restriction it's balanced enough, but charges would also be a good balance, because you could either save it for when it's needed or burn through it in one shot, but always have a limited number of uses with it. As I said though, don't do both, pick one and stick with it. Generally speaking, rings rarely utilize charges - it's what makes them so powerful in the first place. In fact, the only ring with charges I can think of offhand is the Ring of Three Wishes, which uses charges for what should be VERY obvious reasons

Haha, well see, that's the thing, I read up on this item I gave, and it actually is pretty powerful. The ring gives 10HP once per day, which is basically giving you something similar to a Cure Moderate Wounds Potion (restores 2d8 HP) once per day. A Cure Moderate Wounds potion is worth 300gp according to the DMG (pg. 230). PLUS this ring can be used on a free action (meaning it can be activated during a monster's turn) PLUS you don't need to be carrying around a bunch of potions.

If an adventurer used it once a day every day for a year, he'd have saved 300gp x 365 which is 109500gp. And there isn't a limit to how many years it lasts, so essentially, I gave you an item that is extremely valuable.

Of course, no one is going to use it every day, so the value is probably a bit overstated, but still, it is a highly valuable item, IMO. I also have to consider in this campaign, there already is a fella with a +10 tempHP piece of armor, and that is only worth a few thousand. (About 1800gp when you guys bought it off that merchant.) So, it kinda balances out. Those items are probably moderately uncommon in this land, but not priceless or anything.

I gave that item out knowing it would most likely be going to you when the group found it. I figured, Melnor has so little HP compared to everyone else, I should probably give this to him to help him NOT die.

Anyways, I'm not one to retcon my mistakes out of the game, and would rather just see how it plays out. It IS a very powerful item, but I also have to consider that you kind of need it.

I could look up the rules on it but I'm lazy. And you're right, the value would be significantly overstated, since I've used it a grand total of twice since we got it, and the other ring has been used once. Generally, the value of an item is whatever it costs to make the item plus a percentage. XP costs are converted to GP, although I can't remember what the ratio was, so both rings would definitely be in the high 4 digit numbers at minimum, but that doesn't mean you can't give them. The reasons for them being given were sound - you wanted me to be able to not die as easily (and starting with 5 HP made that a very big concern), and we were all having difficulty because of terrible rolls (had more trouble wiping out a band of kobolds than anything we've faced since that I can remember), so they were introduced with good reason and were not game-breaking. Even the armor you mentioned isn't game breaking in that in order to restore the temp HP after they're lost you need to cast a mending spell for every HP lost (so if all are lost, it requires 10 mending spells to put it back at 100%). Realistically, you've done an excellent job balancing the needs of the party and the desire for loot with the game in order to not make it a complete cakewalk (or a complete ass-raping).

One thing I might suggest though - the crafting system seems okay, but most of the items seem worthwhile to craft, if that makes sense. It might almost be better to make mundane items that don't really have an effect at all but are valuable for different reasons to different people. See, where we're not crafting much stuff because it's not giving a worthwhile gain, if we could sell it for a decent amount, then we'd probably do it more. Of course, it's hard to gauge usefullness when we have yet to use any of the items anyway

Man, I forgot all about this thread!

I've haven't played a game yet.

These guys meet up on Saturdays and every Saturday for the last few months I've either been on call at the hospital, out of town on vacation, or just so tired that I try to sleep in on Saturday.

And I think I just lost interest. I think the game and the settings are interesting, but the cats who meet up locally are a bit too nerdy for me. Not saying all role playing gamers are like that... just this particular group.

They are all older, obese men who talk like comic book guy. It'd be more interested if I had someone like TKO in my group!

Did you mean most of the items DON'T seem worthwhile to craft? 'Cause if they did seem worthwhile, you guys would be crafting moar.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

I can haz typo?

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

We should skype a game

but I do not has webcam

Do we need a webcam for a skype game? We could just make a grid, name it 1-A to 26-Z and say, "you are in square 2B and skeletons are in 20-Y, 17-H and 14-T"

Shouldn't they be hexagons instead of squares?

... or is that just for space games?